Video Fakery in the 9/11 Attack

[Anders Lindman]

Can you provide quotes from people who were in Manhattan on 9/11, saw the events unfold before their eyes and claim no planes were involved?

I have posted some of that, such as: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6349775&postcount=650

 

[Dave Rogers]

I think uke2se was asking about the witnesses who said they should have seen planes but didn't, not the witnesses who were standing in the wrong place or looking the wrong way to see the planes.

Oh, sorry, I forgot - there aren't any.

Dave

 

[Anders Lindman]

So the families of the people who died in the crashes are telling lies about it?

Are the victims still alive but hiding somewhere for the rest of their lives?

How much would you have to be paid to lie about the death of your mother, wife, sister or father ?

You are either doing this as a wind up or you are seriously deluded.

The passengers on board Flight 175 is perhaps difficult to explain where they are now. I wild guess would be that they were bribed and the passenger list presented to the public is a made up list containing other names.

 

[BigAl]

I have posted some of that, such as: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6349775&postcount=650

So what?

Millions of people didn't see planes because their view was blocked.

As many as a million people did see the second plane.

 

[Dave Rogers]

The passengers on board Flight 175 is perhaps difficult to explain where they are now. I wild guess would be that they were bribed and the passenger list presented to the public is a made up list containing other names.

So how much would you ask to keep this secret for the rest of your life? And if you wouldn't, how can you be so unspeakably arrogant as to think everybody else in the world is more corrupt than you?

Dave

 

[uke2se]

I have posted some of that, such as: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6349775&postcount=650

Not what I asked for. I asked for people who saw the attacks and claim no plane were involved. Someone who didn't see a plane for whatever reason but doesn't contend the fact that planes were involved isn't what I asked for.

ETA: To make it absolutely clear, this is what I'm looking for (example):

"I stood there and watched the Twin Towers and suddenly one of them just exploded. I was standing in a position that I would have seen a plane had there been one, and I can say for certain, no plane hit the tower."

 

[uke2se]

The passengers on board Flight 175 is perhaps difficult to explain where they are now. I wild guess would be that they were bribed and the passenger list presented to the public is a made up list containing other names.

So, you are in fact saying that the families of the victims aboard the airliners are lying.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Dodge much?

You have no idea of the geography of WTC and NYC, do you?

Millions of people spread over many miles heard rare and unusual roar of the jets on 9/11.

Troll troll troll your boat.

If a lot of people heard a screaming jet and over a large geographic area, then that would be difficult to explain with something like loudspeakers. But check out the witness report I posted about above (a link to another post). There the witness, Jennifer something, said that she heard the boom from the explosion but didn't see any plane, nor did she say she heard any plane. She was positioned only a few blocks away from the South Tower.

 

[Anders Lindman]

So, you are in fact saying that the families of the victims aboard the airliners are lying.

But have they ever been interviewed?

 

[uke2se]

But have they ever been interviewed?

It's a yes or no question. Answering a yes or no question with another question is called "dodging the question". Now, are you saying that the families of the victims of the hijacked planes are lying when they claim their loved ones were killed in the planes on 9/11? Yes or no.

 

[Anders Lindman]

I think uke2se was asking about the witnesses who said they should have seen planes but didn't, not the witnesses who were standing in the wrong place or looking the wrong way to see the planes.

Oh, sorry, I forgot - there aren't any.

Dave

Yes, there are. Here is at least one example: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6349775&postcount=650

 

[uke2se]

here the witness, Jennifer something, said that she heard the boom from the explosion but didn't see any plane, nor did she say she heard any plane. She was positioned only a few blocks away from the South Tower.

If she just heard a boom, it's safe to assume she wasn't actually looking.

 

[BigAl]

never mind

 

[uke2se]

Yes, there are. Here is at least one example: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6349775&postcount=650

No, that's not an example of what I was asking for, nor what Dave was asking for.

"I heard a boom, looked up and there was a big ball of fire." She wasn't looking and thus couldn't have seen a plane.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

If I was an eye witness and I had seen there was positively no plane (and I knew that all the other people around me must have seen the same thing) then I'd want to get in touch with others in the same position as me for mutual support. I think the internet would be great for that. And I might find that, although everyone else tells me I'm crazy, there are a few people called "no-planers" who would believe me, and who weren't afraid to speak out. I'd definitely seek those guys out and make sure they knew they were on the right track.

So, Anders, I guess you must have had literally hundreds of emails of support from eye-witnesses, nervous of coming forward themselves.

No?

Oh, well.

 

[BigAl]

If a lot of people heard a screaming jet and over a large geographic area, then that would be difficult to explain with something like loudspeakers. But check out the witness report I posted about above (a link to another post). There the witness, Jennifer something, said that she heard the boom from the explosion but didn't see any plane, nor did she say she heard any plane. She was positioned only a few blocks away from the South Tower.

So what? Millions of people didn't see planes because their view was blocked.

Thousands saw the first jet and fireball with their own eyes. The number that saw the second is easily a million people, all without the aid of a TV set.

 

[Anders Lindman]

If she just heard a boom, it's safe to assume she wasn't actually looking.

She said: "I heard a boom, looked up, and there was a big ball of fire."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3cpHxbIIV4

 

[BigAl]

She said: "I heard a boom, looked up, and there was a big ball of fire."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3cpHxbIIV4

Your point? So what?

 

[DGM]

But have they ever been interviewed?

Some of us knew some of these people. Please leave them and their families out of your fantasy.

 

[Anders Lindman]

If I was an eye witness and I had seen there was positively no plane (and I knew that all the other people around me must have seen the same thing) then I'd want to get in touch with others in the same position as me for mutual support. I think the internet would be great for that. And I might find that, although everyone else tells me I'm crazy, there are a few people called "no-planers" who would believe me, and who weren't afraid to speak out. I'd definitely seek those guys out and make sure they knew they were on the right track.

So, Anders, I guess you must have had literally hundreds of emails of support from eye-witnesses, nervous of coming forward themselves.

No?

Oh, well.

Oh goodness me, I wouldn't want to be some kind of hub for such a group. But you could be right, that there are people who talk amongst themselves about not seeing a plane, but that they are afraid of ridicule from other people if they talk about it openly.