Vedic Astrology : Open Thread

[case sensitive]

I believe in Vedic Astrology because just based on birth time and place, he can predict. He doesnot even have to know or meet or spreak to the person at all. So less chance to him getting information - whether sublime, direct or through interaction with the clients.

Really... I mean you don't need any information at all to "predict peoples future". You can just randomly say stuff like:"You will find a big love" "you will travel" "I can see a big event in your near future" and then dress it up in woo language.

If an astrologer says 50 things about your life how many should be somewhat accurate for you to believe he/she has powers?

 

[ManLondon]

How would you feel if you have to stop believing in Vedic Astrology?
Is it frightening?

In my teens, I had stopped believing in God when after few years and meeting different people, I could not get a satisfactory answer on existence of God.
http://206.225.95.123/forumlive/showthread.php?postid=1287090#post1287090
Do you think, now I am afraid of changing my beliefs?
I am really trying to just get to a conclusion based on discussions.
Otherwise, I wont be here in this forum.

 

[ManLondon]

Really... I mean you don't need any information at all to "predict peoples future". You can just randomly say stuff like:"You will find a big love" "you will travel" "I can see a big event in your near future" and then dress it up in woo language.

If an astrologer says 50 things about your life how many should be somewhat accurate for you to believe he/she has powers?

Please compare your examples with what I have experienced.
http://206.225.95.123/forumlive/showthread.php?postid=1287090#post1287090

If really have read it, you will get the answer.

 

[ManLondon]

I wasn't suggesting that you had any economic interest. I was just pointing out a pattern I've seen fairly often before: you made a claim that should have been very easy to substantiate (i.e. that there is a website that provides accurate predictions) but when asked to substantiate your claim by providing a link you started making excuses for not doing so.

Ok. There are no excuses! Honestly, I am really suprised with the responses that I have got so far in this forum. They way people overlook the mountains and point a finger towards a mole.

Hence, I am not prepared to get involved in badmouthing this astrologer.
I would give him benefit of doubt. Innocent until proven guilty.

Above all guys, this post is not about this astrologer. It is on Vedic Astrology. Your experiences, comments, or thoughts.

Has anyone ever been a Vedic (Indian) astrologer? or heard of a story or something?

 

[case sensitive]

In my teens, I had stopped believing in God when after few years and meeting different people, I could not get a satisfactory answer on existence of God.

Do you think, now I am afraid of changing my beliefs?
I am really trying to just get to a conclusion based on discussions.
Otherwise, I wont be here in this forum.

That is not how it looks to me. You arguing in the same way all the other paranormal believers do here.

Claiming something-we ask for evidence-they say: I have amazing evidence-we say:show us!-They say:I know, what I know because science doesn't know everything- we say: prove it- they say:I will and you will be amazed.

They either fail a test and makes excuses or they go away.

And we move on to the next guy. In an endless struggle against superstition.

Now how are you different? I really can't see it.

And don't get us wrong we do want you over on our side. That is why we are here.

 

[case sensitive]

Ok. There are no excuses! Honestly, I am really suprised with the responses that I have got so far in this forum. They way people overlook the mountains and point a finger towards a mole.

Hence, I am not prepared to get involved in badmouthing this astrologer.
I would give him benefit of doubt. Innocent until proven guilty.

Above all guys, this post is not about this astrologer. It is on Vedic Astrology. Your experiences, comments, or thoughts.

Has anyone ever been a Vedic (Indian) astrologer? or heard of a story or something?

1. How do you know that there is an astrologer? Maybe it is just a computer program putting together random lines. And we are not going to chase down the guy if he exists anyway.

And you don't need cancer to know it's bad cause it's all bad.

We don't need to investigate every single claim since NO paranormal power has ever been proven to exist

 

[Zep]

ManLondon, I have met people who have used almost exactly the same words as you do when you say you believe in Vedic Astrology. But they have been referring to all sorts of charlatan antics: women's mag astrologers, casting runes, tarot cards, dangling needles and corks, phone psychics, you name it. All of these scams, all of them, are simply taking money from gullible people like yourself by means of confidence tricks. Vedic Astrology is no different.

The problem for you is that you have simply convinced yourself that it works, and you are only looking for verification here for what you believe! You are NOT actually looking for proof that it doesn't work, despite what you may say, because if you read your posts again you are actively rejecting all attempts to show you how simply and blindly you are being strung along by the nose. If you were looking for adequate and convincing proof of it not working, there is certainly ample evidence to be found, both here and elsewhere.

I only hope you haven't been paying people any money, or giving them your credit card numbers. Or if you have, I have a really nice bridge you might like to buy!!

 

[Mojo]

Ok. There are no excuses!

Yes there are! Here's one for a start:

I am really sorry but I cant at this stage. Not without asking permissions from the owners.

Then when Hawk one shot that one down you went for this one instead:

I would not like to be make bad causes by playing a part in something that badmouths this website on internet. I would like to give them benefit of doubt, the very least.

You've even reposted it in the very post in which you said "there are no excuses!"

Honestly, I am really suprised with the responses that I have got so far in this forum. They way people overlook the mountains and point a finger towards a mole.

Hence, I am not prepared to get involved in badmouthing this astrologer.
I would give him benefit of doubt. Innocent until proven guilty.

If the site does what you claim it does, why are you so worried about what people will say about it if they're actually able to see it?

And you've even included a new excuse:

Above all guys, this post is not about this astrologer. It is on Vedic Astrology. Your experiences, comments, or thoughts.

On the contrary, several of your own posts in the thread have been about this astrologer, including the original post with which you started the thread.

If you continue to refuse to provide the link, I think we are entitled to draw an appropriate conclusion about the reason for your reluctance.

 

[delphi_ote]

I knew it was coming. I am really sorry but I cant at this stage. Not without asking permissions from the owners.

What a coincidence. I knew that was coming.

 

[Odin]

One of the problems we have is that your evidence is anecdotal and we don't know all the variables behind it. This is why posting the link would help you enormously. If it really is as good as you say, and it provides accurate readings we might change our minds, or at least see that further investigation is needed.

 

[ManLondon]

All right! Lets do this.

I would need one person's details (Date Time of birth, place of birth). I will post back some of the highlights and the person can pass on the verdict.

I donot need to know any more than the above information.

Here are my conditions which will ensure fairness:-
(1) Person should be aged between 25 and 60. As by 25, most of people know where they are heading.

(2) Person should not be from JREF or associated with similar organisations. I say this because, with respect, people in this forum are bit less open to unknown. (unlike "I donot know what I donot know" to quote LandMark Forum)

(3) Person should be very sure about the accuracy about the details that (s)he supplies. i.e. incorrect birth information = incorrect predictions.
Garbage In Garbage Out, to use IT-speak.

Please be co-operative because this will involve much more of my resources than you could imagine.

 

[JLam]

ManLondon,

A few things:

1) Check your PM box for the birth details you need for my reading. When you get the results of the reading, please PM me back. I'll reimburse you if it costs you anything.

2) Why are you here? Every time someone gives you a rational explanation for something you experienced, you're determined to shoot it down. I showed you just how easy it is to get information about people without even knowing thier name, and you still refuse to believe that this astrologer would have any way of knowing anything about the people they were reading, even when provided with loads of personal information


And contrary to your assertion, people here are willing to be shown evidence that something works. And why should one's openness to the unknown have any effect on the accuracy of a reading? That makes NO sense at all. Either it works or it doesn't. Period.

 

[delphi_ote]

All right! Lets do this.

I would need one person's details (Date Time of birth, place of birth). I will post back some of the highlights and the person can pass on the verdict.

I donot need to know any more than the above information.

Here are my conditions which will ensure fairness:-
(1) Person should be aged between 25 and 60. As by 25, most of people know where they are heading.

(2) Person should not be from JREF or associated with similar organisations. I say this because, with respect, people in this forum are bit less open to unknown. (unlike "I donot know what I donot know" to quote LandMark Forum)

(3) Person should be very sure about the accuracy about the details that (s)he supplies. i.e. incorrect birth information = incorrect predictions.
Garbage In Garbage Out, to use IT-speak.

Let's not do this. How about you reverse the protocol? We'll give you a description of someone and you give us their birth date, place, and time?

Or do you have a lame excuse why this "science" can't make such a prediction?

 

[ManLondon]

ManLondon,

A few things:

1) Check your PM box for the birth details you need for my reading. When you get the results of the reading, please PM me back. I'll reimburse you if it costs you anything.

2) Why are you here? Every time someone gives you a rational explanation for something you experienced, you're determined to shoot it down. I showed you just how easy it is to get information about people without even knowing thier name, and you still refuse to believe that this astrologer would have any way of knowing anything about the people they were reading, even when provided with loads of personal information


And contrary to your assertion, people here are willing to be shown evidence that something works. And why should one's openness to the unknown have any effect on the accuracy of a reading? That makes NO sense at all. Either it works or it doesn't. Period.

Sorry you will have excuse me on your details because of my condition.
My my original post, what I see as very specific and beyond doubt predictions, you guys refuse to even "read" it.

So I need someone not of this school. It can be any other person but not from such organisations, please.

 

[ManLondon]

Let's not do this. How about you reverse the protocol? We'll give you a description of someone and you give us their birth date, place, and time?

Or do you have a lame excuse why this "science" can't make such a prediction?

I think I have clearly stated and defined what Vedic Astrology can and cant do. So where are the excuses?

Tell me have you heard of a "psychic" who has proposed like this. Though, I am neither a psychic nor an astrologer.

 

[bagtaggar]

I agree with delphi ote.

No name, just an accurate description of ones personality. Extrapolate a birthday from it.

 

[Odin]

My my original post, what I see as very specific and beyond doubt predictions, you guys refuse to even "read" it.

Precisely, they are what YOU see. That is why we need to be in the same position as you were for then to have any validity to US. That way we would know-
1 that the readings are not made up or misinterpretated.

2 that there was no leakage of information.

After these were ruled out there would be solid evidence left, that is why posting the url would help because then, assuming some good quality 'hits' both of these problems would be ruled out.

 

[Odin]

Sorry you will have excuse me on your details because of my condition...

...So I need someone not of this school. It can be any other person but not from such organisations, please.

Are you saying that you won't read a forum member?

 

[Zep]

Sorry you will have excuse me on your details because of my condition.
My my original post, what I see as very specific and beyond doubt predictions, you guys refuse to even "read" it.

WHAT???!

Not only was it read in excruciating detail, it was totally deconstructed in excruciating detail, and all the flaws pointed out to you...in excruciating detail once again.

And what "condition" might it be that prevents you passing on URLs??? Non-URL-itis? Lack of fingers? Please...

So I need someone not of this school. It can be any other person but not from such organisations, please.

This is almost pure Kumarese... Can someone translate this? I can't. At least, not sensibly...


Actually, on second thoughts, I'm going to make a startling statement here: I'm 180 degrees wrong in what I said above...

ManLondon, I suggest the Vedic Astrology website is actually YOURS, and you are simply looking for some means of promoting it. You won't show us the site because we would very rapidly be able to discern it is a tiny, boring bit if code that randomly displays bland, meaningless text blocks that say "Vedic" stuff. And people will send you money asa result.

 

[ManLondon]

I agree with delphi ote.

No name, just an accurate description of ones personality. Extrapolate a birthday from it.

Imagine a man showed a car to another one for the first time. And he explains that one can drive this car. The another guy says "I wont believe it unless it flys out in the space."

Very rational!