Vedic Astrology : Open Thread

[ManLondon]

Guys

Just wanted to create a thread on Vedic Astrology (Indian Astrology) where people can post their opinions and or experiences or basically just anything for that matter.

My only objective is to draw some rational conclusions from a healthy discussion.

Please allow me to start with mine...

I am a British Indian IT Analyst working in London. Like to think that I am quiet logical person. Since my teenage, have been interested in few things like Yoga, meditation, religion, astrology and God. Then suddenly I realised that either of my own or with the help of others, I could not find a satisfactory answer to "Is there anything in the world that proves beyond doubt that God exists?" And then I stopped going to religious places.

Few years ago, when I was working in New Delhi, India, my father arranged an astrologer to look at my details.

The astrologer told me I will leave India and go abroad within the next 4 months. I told him that I work for a Brit company and may go to UK for business, but there is nothing going on at the moment, certainly not in the near future. The astrologer did not even know what I did for living.

I kinda ignored it because since then there had been no such discussion @ work. Then 1.5 months later, my company asked me to go to London in the next 2 weeks. It was all so sudden and had no choice. And I was in London, after 2 months from the date that astrologer had predicted (i.e. within 4 months window). That was the first time, I thought there was something in astrology.

Recently, I met an Indian astrologer, whom I provided only my birth details and he did a Life Analysis and 3 years forecast for me. I was really shocked. It was so scary, everything was so very accurate and specific. Exact Dates, specific details! I was so very shocked.

I did the same thing for two of my friends. From just the birth details (Date time and place of birth), he told my friend that "she has got some serious problem with her bladder or utenus area. That she will suffer from a disease that doctors would not be able to diagnose or treat and she will have this disease from her birth." I checked it with her and told every bit is true. She cant have children and since she was very young, she had since problems in her genital area and had been to doctors regularly.

Similarly, for another friend, this astrologer told her that "She has a power to treat others. She will be a therpist or Reiki healer." Fact is, she has been practising Reiki for over 20 years and she is a professional Reiki healer.

What do you guys make of this? Any thoughts or experiences? Or comments.

Cheers

 

[Rose]

Well, several thoughts come to mind on reading your account. Your first encounter with an astrologer was made through your father. There is a possibility that the astrologer was able to gather significant information about your background, including your type of employment. From there, it was a simple enough gamble on the astrologer's part to predict a trip. You ended up going two months later. If you'd gone six, maybe even eight months later you probably would still have considered this a hit. If you hadnt travelled later than that, it's probable the prediction would have been forgotten. So by taking a calculated risk the astrologer is now credited with "extrodinary insight".

In reference to the later astrologers, anytime specific dates and events are listed, the alarm bells should go off. Why is it the first astrologer could only give you a time frame for an event in the near future, while using "hindsight" the other astrologers managed more detailed readings. Unfortunately I'd have to consider fraud as a possibilty. It's not unheard of for those in the "psychic trade' to gather and maintain records on their customers/victims. Difficult to prove of course. But then, if they are legitimate surely they'd be interested in the Randi challenge, as I suspect their abilities fall under its purview.

Have you tried other astrologers, using systems other than vedic? It would be interesting to compare the results. It's your money, and time, to decide how much investigating you want to do. There are others with experiences in studying claims like the ones made by the astrologers. I'd recommend seeing what they say about it.

 

[case sensitive]

Guys


The astrologer told me I will leave India and go abroad within the next 4 months. I told him that I work for a Brit company and may go to UK for business, but there is nothing going on at the moment, certainly not in the near future. The astrologer did not even know what I did for living.

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Well here we go...

He said: You will leave India and go abroad within the next 4 months.

And you think he meant:You will move to London and work for your company.

Answer: He did not!

He said one thing that all of these guys say. "You will travel"

What else did he say? I guess he was wrong about those things but you forgot all about them. If you only remember the hits. Well then it works.

 

[JLam]

I'd have to assume some sort of "hot reading" going on. It's a bit different from cold reading. If you want more information on these 2 subjects, check out this link: http://skepdic.com/coldread.html

If you'd really like to test these people, let us know. Everyone on this board would be glad to help you design a little test.

 

[case sensitive]

Recently, I met an Indian astrologer, whom I provided only my birth details and he did a Life Analysis and 3 years forecast for me. I was really shocked. It was so scary, everything was so very accurate and specific. Exact Dates, specific details! I was so very shocked.

How exact? What did he say?

I did the same thing for two of my friends. From just the birth details (Date time and place of birth), he told my friend that "she has got some serious problem with her bladder or uterus area. That she will suffer from a disease that doctors would not be able to diagnose or treat and she will have this disease from her birth." I checked it with her and told every bit is true. She cant have children and since she was very young, she had since problems in her genital area and had been to doctors regularly.

Similarly, for another friend, this astrologer told her that "She has a power to treat others. She will be a therpist or Reiki healer." Fact is, she has been practising Reiki for over 20 years and she is a professional Reiki healer.

What do you guys make of this? Any thoughts or experiences? Or comments.

Cheers

Is having problem with your bladder OR uterus specific? Do you know how many women have problems in those areas? So he said one thing too about your friend.

For your last friend and her healing. Well Reiki doesn't heal anything. If you feel like proving it, well that is what Jref is all about.

Why does these guys only say one thing to their costumers?

 

[JLam]

Also, ask yourself this. What if 2 people are born at the same time in the same hospital? Are those 2 people destined to have the same lives?

 

[case sensitive]

Wait a minute...

You have a friend that can "heal" and another friend that has a genital condition. Let the healing begin!

One hit was enough for going from rational to woo.
It takes so little to defeat an unarmed mind.

 

[ManLondon]

Thanks to all the guys for response. I am at the moment bit biased towards the accuracy of Vedic Astrology, but, I cetainly have open mind on it. Let us try to draw some conclusions from discussion.

Well, several thoughts come to mind on reading your account. Your first encounter with an astrologer was made through your father. There is a possibility that the astrologer was able to gather significant information about your background, including your type of employment. From there, it was a simple enough gamble on the astrologer's part to predict a trip. You ended up going two months later. If you'd gone six, maybe even eight months later you probably would still have considered this a hit. If you hadnt travelled later than that, it's probable the prediction would have been forgotten. So by taking a calculated risk the astrologer is now credited with "extrodinary insight".

I donot rule out the possibility that the astrologer may have gathered some information about me, but I doubt it because I also went to see this astrologer with my father. There are over 1 billion people in India and only a fraction of people get on a flight flying out of India. Assuming he knew that I worked for a Brit company. Majority, if not every, IT company in India, has either overseas clients or is a development centre of an International company. Of these only a small portion of IT people go abroad. He mentioned a 4 months window and I travelled within that window.

In reference to the later astrologers, anytime specific dates and events are listed, the alarm bells should go off. Why is it the first astrologer could only give you a time frame for an event in the near future, while using "hindsight" the other astrologers managed more detailed readings. Unfortunately I'd have to consider fraud as a possibilty. It's not unheard of for those in the "psychic trade' to gather and maintain records on their customers/victims. Difficult to prove of course. But then, if they are legitimate surely they'd be interested in the Randi challenge, as I suspect their abilities fall under its purview.

From the knowledge that I have of Vedic Astrology, it like any other profession. Lots of people study science and some of them go on to become scientists but not everyone becomes Newton or Eistein.
It depends on the astrologer's study, time spent on horoscope, experience, planerty combinations considered and experience etc.

Really, the only information latter astrologer had about my friends was "Name, Birth date and time and place of birth" That's it!! I had sent this details through email to astrologer and he emailed me the predictions with no further questions. Neither I or my friends went to see this astrologer. So psychic style questioning or suggestions is totally out of window. I am aware of how psychics work.

Have you tried other astrologers, using systems other than vedic? It would be interesting to compare the results. It's your money, and time, to decide how much investigating you want to do. There are others with experiences in studying claims like the ones made by the astrologers. I'd recommend seeing what they say about it.

No, I havent tried other astrological method or psychics. Donot believe them.

Can you please suggest me someone who has studied these claims?

 

[ManLondon]

Well here we go...

He said: You will leave India and go abroad within the next 4 months.

And you think he meant:You will move to London and work for your company.

Answer: He did not!

He said one thing that all of these guys say. "You will travel"

What else did he say? I guess he was wrong about those things but you forgot all about them. If you only remember the hits. Well then it works.

He said I will travel abroad and that too with 4 months. Only a small fraction of Indians travel abroad.

 

[ManLondon]

I'd have to assume some sort of "hot reading" going on. It's a bit different from cold reading. If you want more information on these 2 subjects, check out this link:

If you'd really like to test these people, let us know. Everyone on this board would be glad to help you design a little test.

I had sent these details through email to astrologer and he emailed me the predictions with no further questions. Neither I or my friends went to see this astrologer. So psychic style questioning or suggestions is totally out of window. I am aware of how psychics work.

 

[ManLondon]

How exact? What did he say?

He sent over 8 pages of Life Analysis and I cant post everything. But because I know me, I can say those very accurate and specific. Not every bit of it was true to the letter. But 70-80% was and specific.

Is having problem with your bladder OR uterus specific? Do you know how many women have problems in those areas? So he said one thing too about your friend.

Maybe it is a common problem but I felt it was specific because he very strongly had written that serious problem in that area, since birth and something that Doctors will fail to diagnose or treat. I felt it was specific. Not like saying "you may have a weak or upset stomach."

She is only 24 and since the age of 12-14 she has this problem. Since then she has been regluarly seeking treatment but still no better. I know, even today she goes to doctor once a week.

For your last friend and her healing. Well Reiki doesn't heal anything. If you feel like proving it, well that is what Jref is all about.

Why does these guys only say one thing to their costumers?

I donot really know much about Reiki healing. This is the first person I have met who does Reiki that too I found out later. But I can imagine, that treatment may not exclusive to pills.

 

[ManLondon]

Wait a minute...

You have a friend that can "heal" and another friend that has a genital condition. Let the healing begin!

One hit was enough for going from rational to woo.
It takes so little to defeat an unarmed mind.

If only you could see the condition of my 24 years old friend, then probably, you would think twice before posting this message.

For the last 10 years or so, she has been seeking medical treatment.

 

[ManLondon]

Also, ask yourself this. What if 2 people are born at the same time in the same hospital? Are those 2 people destined to have the same lives?

From the bit of study that I have done on Vedic Astrology, the exact time of birth is very important. e.g. Moon changes house every 2.5 minutes. And Moon decides the Zodical sign of person - which in turn, shifts the rest of the planets. (This I can say only according to Vedic Astrology not in other methods)

 

[JLam]

ManLondon,

I don't even have your name or place of birth, but I already know that you work in the IT industry, and that you're in your late 20's, you're about 5'8", you're a vegetarian, you're health conscious, you like to work out at the gym (but not as much as you did when you were younger), you have recently started taking creatine (within the past 7 months or so), You're a big fan of shows like The Great Indian Laughter Challenge and Nach Baliyeh. You also like videogames (Age of Empires II, for example.)

I got all that info just with a simple google search, all without knowing your name or your birthdate. Imagine what I could have done WITH that information.

UPDATE: I also now HAVE your birthdate (I won't publish the whole thing here...but it's on the 15th...you know the month).

Now what were you saying about these things not being "hot reading"???

 

[ManLondon]

Well here we go...

He said: You will leave India and go abroad within the next 4 months.

And you think he meant:You will move to London and work for your company.

Answer: He did not!

He said one thing that all of these guys say. "You will travel"

What else did he say? I guess he was wrong about those things but you forgot all about them. If you only remember the hits. Well then it works.

The first time I was sent to London by my previous company, I was sent on a particular project and I was meant to return within 2-3 months. It was not meant to be transfer of Location but later on, I was handed few other projects because the other guy had left the company for US.

 

[ManLondon]

ManLondon,

I don't even have your name or place of birth, but I already know that you work in the IT industry, and that you're in your late 20's, you're about 5'8", you're a vegetarian, you're health conscious, you like to work out at the gym (but not as much as you did when you were younger), you have recently started taking creatine (within the past 7 months or so), You're a big fan of shows like The Great Indian Laughter Challenge and Nach Baliyeh. You also like videogames (Age of Empires II, for example.)

I got all that info just with a simple google search, all without knowing your name or your birthdate. Imagine what I could have done WITH that information.

UPDATE: I also now HAVE your birthdate (I won't publish the whole thing here...but it's on the 15th...you know the month).

Now what were you saying about these things not being "hot reading"???

Wow! Very clever. You got all this info from the websites that I am a member of. It is all true. But I would not class it is a predictions. Would you?
I would be impressed if you could do some specific life analysis or forecasts or backcasts with dates.

This is all the information I gave through web sites and because I tend to use ManLondon username.

Trust me, the astrologer would not have this infomation the only information that was passed on for my friends and I was "name, birth date and time and place of birth". That too through emails. So no asking questions or suggestions.

 

[JLam]

I'm not talking about predictions. You cited as prime examples of the validity of astrolgers:

I did the same thing for two of my friends. From just the birth details (Date time and place of birth), he told my friend that "she has got some serious problem with her bladder or utenus area. That she will suffer from a disease that doctors would not be able to diagnose or treat and she will have this disease from her birth." I checked it with her and told every bit is true. She cant have children and since she was very young, she had since problems in her genital area and had been to doctors regularly.

Similarly, for another friend, this astrologer told her that "She has a power to treat others. She will be a therpist or Reiki healer." Fact is, she has been practising Reiki for over 20 years and she is a professional Reiki healer.

Those are not predictions. Those are general pieces of information. And you gave the astrolger specific names and dates of birth. Do you know what a seasoned investigative mind can do with that kind of information? Look at the info I pulled up on you without even trying!

So do you still find it amazing that the astrologer knew your friend was a Reiki healer given that you supplied this person with your friend's name? Or are you open to the possibility that this information was gleaned through traditional investigative techniques? You HAVE to be open to that possibility, or you're just fooling yourself.

I would be impressed if you could do some specific life analysis or forecasts or backcasts with dates.

I might be able to do the life analysis if I had time to do more research on you. As for specific forecasts/backcasts, no. But you have cited only one example of a "specific" forecast, that is the prediction about you travelling. Is it not possible that this was a lucky guess? This is the ONLY evidence you've cited that the astrologer gave an accurate prediction.

If you want any skeptics here to buy into this, you're going to have to provide better evidence.

 

[ManLondon]

I'm not talking about predictions. You cited as prime examples of the validity of astrolgers:



Those are not predictions. Those are general pieces of information. And you gave the astrolger specific names and dates of birth. Do you know what a seasoned investigative mind can do with that kind of information? Look at the info I pulled up on you without even trying!

So do you still find it amazing that the astrologer knew your friend was a Reiki healer given that you supplied this person with your friend's name? Or are you open to the possibility that this information was gleaned through traditional investigative techniques? You HAVE to be open to that possibility, or you're just fooling yourself.

I might be able to do the life analysis if I had time to do more research on you. As for specific forecasts/backcasts, no. But you have cited only one example of a "specific" forecast, that is the prediction about you travelling. Is it not possible that this was a lucky guess? This is the ONLY evidence you've cited that the astrologer gave an accurate prediction.

If you want any skeptics here to buy into this, you're going to have to provide better evidence.

Please donot get me wrong. The reason I am here discussing this topic at 5.30 in the morning says a lot about my openess to the validity. Every person, is what experiences make him or her. At the moment, based on my experiences, I am bit of believer. But please keep responding (all the guys please) so that we get some convincing thoughts out of it.

Trust me, I wont pay an astrologer to hear what you found out about me from the websites.

I think, the examples that I have cited are very specific.
How many people will have such a serious ailment that she cant have a child. Is it so common that he would predict for a 24 years girl.
Again, whether you believe in Reiki or not, he was very specific in saying that some therapist or Reiki Healer.

I think my next lines will make some of you rethink about it.
It is true that I communicated through email for my predictions but for my friends cases, I did not even send an email. It is an online predictions website. i.e., you type in your EXACT birth details like time and place and within seconds you get about 8 pages of life predictions and yearly forecasts.
Now, to me, it seems way ahead of our times, to gather so much of information with seconds that you could be so specific. Further, I have tested this one, changing the name does not change the predictions as long as the date and time and place is same.

 

[JLam]

Send me a link to the website you're referring to.

 

[ManLondon]

Send me a link to the website you're referring to.

I knew it was coming. I am really sorry but I cant at this stage. Not without asking permissions from the owners.