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Vaccine questions

If she won't agree to vaccinate the baby, perhaps she'd agree to get her own vaccination against pertussis in order to protect the baby.

Prevention of Pertussis in Infants, September 21, 2011
The number of pertussis cases in several states in the U.S. including Washington has been increasing recently. The risk of severe pertussis, including hospitalization and death, is higher for infants than any other age group. To-date, two infant deaths have occurred in Washington during 2011. In 2010, California reported the most cases since the 1950s, including 10 infant deaths.1 King County cases increased in 2010 compared to 2009, with infants younger than one year comprising nearly one-third of the 59 reported cases, the largest proportion of infant cases in over five years. Forty-four percent of those infants required hospitalization. So far in 2011, there have been 8 infant pertussis cases (15% of all cases this year) and no infant deaths in King County....

ACIP also recommends that the following groups receive Tdap as soon as feasible, ideally at least 2 weeks before beginning close contact with the infant:
... regardless of the interval since the last Td. Adults and adolescents 11 years and older who have not received a prior dose of Tdap or for whom pertussis vaccination history is unknown, regardless of the interval since the last Td.
Children 7–10 years who are unvaccinated or have not received a complete DTaP primary series.
Pregnant women due for tetanus booster
• If a tetanus and diphtheria booster vaccination is indicated during pregnancy for a woman who has previously not received Tdap (i.e., more than 10 years since previous Td), then health care providers should administer Tdap during pregnancy, preferably during the third or late second trimester (after 20 weeks gestation).
Pregnant women with unknown or incomplete tetanus vaccination
• To ensure protection against maternal and neonatal tetanus, pregnant women who never have been vaccinated against tetanus should receive three vaccinations containing tetanus and reduced diphtheria toxoids during pregnancy. The recommended schedule is 0, 4 weeks, and 6 to 12 months. Tdap should replace 1 dose of Td, preferably during the third or late second trimester of pregnancy (after 20 weeks gestation).
 
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You can read the effect of that on an article I posted earlier:
http://ftp.fcs.uga.edu/cfd/cdl/docs/vaccines_exemptions.pdf

The whole thing is covered fairly well in Dr. Paul Offit's book Deadly Choices. It was more of a case of some very bad statistical work, and some opportunestic doctors. And Brian Deer wrote about it:
http://briandeer.com/dtp-dpt-vaccine-1.htm
Thanks Chris, the lancet article really sets it out in black and white - in regions where anti-vaccination movements are most active, children die. Very stark statistics.

And Deadly Choices is on my Christmas list (so I'll probably be buying it myself, no one else reads my Christmas list!).

Cheers,

Yuri
 
5) Thimerosal is dangerous

I don't know enough about thimerosal or the claims that it presents a danger to recipients. Can somebody please enlighten me?

Sure.

The fact that she has asked this question is a good sign. It's a sign that she is being fed a bunch of obviously wrong information by a bunch of quacks, and you can easily prove it to her.

"Thimerasol is dangerous."

Let's grant for the sake of argument that it is true. It isn't, but let's say it is.

And?

As others have hinted at, but no one has really come out and emphasized it:

INFANT VACCINES DO NOT CONTAIN THIMERASOL!!!!!!!!

So anyone who objects to infant vaccination by playing the thimerasol card is not basing their objections on reality.

Now that you have established the fact that whomever is feeding her this stuff is outside the realm of reality, it gives you grounds to question everything that is said. If they can't get something as simple as the fact that infant vaccinations don't contain thimerasol wrong, why should you believe what they have to say about the infant's immune system, or anything for that matter?

Anti-infant vaccination arguments that mention thimerasol are great, because they clearly indicate that the person making them is clueless about the topic. It is an undeniable fact.

You now have the smoking gun that she is being fed nonsense. She can't deny it.
 
... - If your child is a girl, then whatever else you do, make sure she gets a rubella vaccine before she is a teenager. You might not be able to get single rubella vaccine, so it may have to be MMR (but by then your wife can hardly think she might get autism)

This.
 
... but she told me to stop talking...
... she doesn't think I get an equal say in parenting because I'm not the mother. The only option she'll entertain now is no-vaccines or abortion....

This sounds wildly bizarre. She is so afraid of the infinitesimal-to-nonexistent odds of a bad reaction to a vaccine that she would prefer to abort her baby? Does she mean it? Is there something else going on with her that would be pushing her to the brink? How has she worked with you (or not) in resolving other differences of opinion? Could you accept co-parenting with this person on these terms for the next 20 years? Whatever is going on here might not be something you can solve yourself. You might need to get professional advice from a psychologist or a counselor, and you might need to talk to a lawyer just to get a handle on where you stand.
 
http://www.stopjenny.com/VaccineInformation.html

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/Testimony-O99.htm
The human immune system is remarkable in its capacity to respond to millions of different antigens. Children are exposed to many thousands of bacteria, fungi and viruses beginning at the moment of birth. In the first few months of life the human immune system responds to many foreign antigens from these organisms. Each bacterium contains hundreds of different antigens including carbohydrates, fatty substances, proteins, RNA and DNA. Children develop antibodies to 17 different proteins in one common bacterium (Moraxella catarrhalis) and a strep throat infection results in immune responses to 25-50 different antigens.1 Some new highly effective vaccines are made using only one or two bacterial antigens. For example, Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccines, or Hib as they are commonly called, contain only a single bacterial antigen attached to a protein. Children immunized with these vaccines are protected against meningitis and sepsis caused by the Haemophilus influenzae type b organism. Therefore, the immune systems of children who receive this vaccine are exposed to far fewer antigens than children naturally infected with the bacterium. Since all children would be exposed to the bacterium if they were not immunized, the use of the Hib vaccine actually reduces the burden on the immune system.


I have this troll on facebook. I told him the difference of methyl mercury (poisonous, found in fish) and ethyl mercury (not toxic, found in only flu vaccines and not in any vaccines on an infant's schedule) was like the difference between carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide.

So he yells at me for saying mercury is healthynow :boggled: huh???

Oh, and this is a good link for debunking antivax BS:

http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/vaccination-myths-busted-by-science-cheat-sheet-on-immunisation/
 
Tell her VAERS has reports of people becoming supermen due to vaccines.

http://antiantivax.flurf.net/
As useful a tool as VAERS is, it has several important limitations. One of these that is, perhaps, most important when dealing with anti-vax claims is that it does not establish causality. In other words, the reports found in VAERS cannot be taken at face value as meaning that a vaccine caused a specific effect. Many of the reports may be merely coincidental. Some may be spurious. Others may actually have a real, rather than merely apparent, connection between the vaccine and the outcome.
An oft-quoted example of just how unreliable VAERS can be can be found from James R. Laidler, MD. Dr. Laidler submitted a report to VAERS that the influenza vaccine had turned him into The Hulk. The report was accepted and posted to the database. As Dr. Laidler reports, he was contacted by a representative because the AE was so unusual. They asked his permission to delete the report from the database, after discussing it with him, and he agreed. Had he not given his permission, the report would still be in the VAERS database.
In the end, while VAERS can be a good tool for finding possible trends of vaccine-related adverse events, it is also open to being skewed by bad data. Compound this with lobbying, grass-roots efforts to get people to report certain events, and the data become horribly polluted with potentially misleading information. Why is this important? Well, it means that when searching VAERS, the results need to be taken with a substantial grain of salt, and that further, more in-depth inquiry is needed. Secondly, it means that mass-reporting of spurious connections can divert scarce resources away from investigating real health risks to chase after ghosts.

Homeopaths will give you directions on filing false VAERS numbers in order to skew the numbers too.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/47704677/Meryl-Doreys-Trouble-With-the-Truth-Part-1


I would ask where the wife is getting her BS information from, and start showing her why liars cannot be trusted with health information when it comes to YOUR lives.
 

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