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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Clayton Moore said:
Not in the US. Vaccine studies are notoriously absent.
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Uh-huh. But funnily enough I did not ask if vaccine studies are absent in the US. I asked which studies looked for and eliminated all other possible commionalities in cases of ASD.

How about you try and answer that question.
 
BenjaminTR said:
This is a very bizzare conspiracy. In order to make sure they can keep selling vaccines, the conspiracy has covered up the fact that it has treatments that have reduced measles mortality down to pretty much zero. The evidence of this is that it is now fifty years later than fifty years ago.

Yet it never really was measles mortality, it was measles-complication mortality.

And all of the research showing that vaccines are not implicated in causing autism is a cover-up, due to the entire worldwide community of doctors and researchers is either bought off, or does not want to "rock the boat." We know all the research is lies because of parent anecdotes and the fact that vaccines are a foreign substance in a helpless child's body. That, and the only thing that different autistic people have in common--the one and only thing--is vaccines.

This scenario is not credible.
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Why not? Americans believe Israel and the US are the good guys because our MSM tells us we are. The remainder of the world pretty much believes otherwise. Vaccines are a snap by comparison.
Doctors believe the vaccine concept is impervious to greed..

I do not.

http://www.naturalnews.com/038598_vaccines_medical_hoax_government_documents.html

http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf


Sounds credible to me.
 
Seriously I find it very odd that anybody would make the firm statement of "fact" that there is no other common factor between cases unless they have substantial evidence that all other commonalities have been dismissed. It would be very strange to think you had such deep knoweldge of every single case as to remove all possible coincidental commonalities except the vague assumption they all had some form of vaccination at some point.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Why not? Americans believe Israel and the US are the good guys because our MSM tells us we are. The remainder of the world pretty much believes otherwise.
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I think you do the rest of the world a dicredit, along with the majority of other Americans, for implying they believe the political situation in any part of the wrold can be simplified to good guys or bad guys.

So now we have to add American Geo-Polotics to brain damage, the gastrict tract, and the other odd divergences you will be unable to link to Autism.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Why not? Americans believe Israel and the US are the good guys because our MSM tells us we are. The remainder of the world pretty much believes otherwise. Vaccines are a snap by comparison.
Doctors believe the vaccine concept is impervious to greed..

I do not.

http://www.naturalnews.com/038598_vaccines_medical_hoax_government_documents.html

http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf


Sounds credible to me.
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And the link to autism?
 
zooterkin said:
Leave the quotes out; they're there to show you what the search terms are, they're not part of what you search for.
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Sorry, I forgot to mention that. There are lots of studies. Clayton said there were none so naturally there are lots of them.
 
Since Clay seems to be under the impression that kids become autistic at 18 months, I went to Pubmed and dug up some studies identifying in utero risk factors.

Here are studies about inflammation in utero
http://www-ncbi-nlm-nih-gov.silk.library.umass.edu/m/pubmed/23170784/?i=2&from=in utero autism


http://www-ncbi-nlm-nih-gov.silk.library.umass.edu/m/pubmed/23078831/?i=3&from=in utero autism

http://www-ncbi-nlm-nih-gov.silk.library.umass.edu/m/pubmed/23231720/?i=3&from=/23170784/related

Studies about maternal antibodies in utero
http://www-ncbi-nlm-nih-gov.silk.library.umass.edu/m/pubmed/18078998/?i=2&from=/22689191/related

http://www-ncbi-nlm-nih-gov.silk.library.umass.edu/m/pubmed/22689191/?i=9&from=autism in utero

ETA: Seems you need to have an account to follow my links. I'll have to find another way to present this. Later.
 
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BenjaminTR said:
Since Clay seems to be under the impression that kids become autistic at 18 months, I went to Pubmed and dug up some studies identifying in utero risk factors.

Here are studies about inflammation in utero
http://www-ncbi-nlm-nih-gov.silk.library.umass.edu/m/pubmed/23170784/?i=2&from=in utero autism


http://www-ncbi-nlm-nih-gov.silk.library.umass.edu/m/pubmed/23078831/?i=3&from=in utero autism

http://www-ncbi-nlm-nih-gov.silk.library.umass.edu/m/pubmed/23231720/?i=3&from=/23170784/related

Studies about maternal antibodies in utero
http://www-ncbi-nlm-nih-gov.silk.library.umass.edu/m/pubmed/18078998/?i=2&from=/22689191/related

http://www-ncbi-nlm-nih-gov.silk.library.umass.edu/m/pubmed/22689191/?i=9&from=autism in utero

ETA: Seems you need to have an account to follow my links. I'll have to find another way to present this. Later.
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Clayton has been shown research that concluded that signs of autism can be seen between 6 and 12 months of age on this thread. I don't recall him responding to it.
 
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