Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Clayton Moore said:
To constantly improve/maintain their profit margin.
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And they do that by giving kids autism? How does that work?

Clayton Moore said:
Why should any parent believe you vaccine people when all the kings men, with all the science and computer power and funding that is at their disposal, supposedly can't figure out what has caused the autism "epidemic?" Since what 1970?
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Actually there really is good science that points to epigenitics as the potential cause.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Why should any parent believe you vaccine people when all the kings men, with all the science and computer power and funding that is at their disposal, supposedly can't figure out what has caused the autism "epidemic?" Since what 1970?
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Well, the fact that Lorna Wing first published the definitive work on autism in 1969, on which all subsequent diagnoses are based, might be a bit of a clue. Before 1970, nobody understood the triad of autistic impairments, because it had never been identified, so diagnosis was pretty much hit-or-miss. Don't forget, the use of the word to describe an abnormal neurological development didn't even exist until 1943, and it wasn't until Wing's work throughout the 1960's that we really began to understand what autism really is. Since about 1970, diagnosis has continued to become more reliable, and it's quite common for people who would have been diagnosed as autistic in childhood, had we had the same level of understanding then as we have now, to be diagnosed later in life.

Short answer: There's no epidemic. They've always been there, we just haven't identified them correctly.

Dave
 
Travis said:
And they do that by giving kids autism? How does that work?



Actually there really is good science that points to epigenitics as the potential cause.
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Good point.

Quite possibly what is happening is a genetic weakening caused by vaccines. Today's babies would be the 3rd wave
of vaccine recipients. Third generation so to speak.

First generation 1960- 5? age?
Second generation 1980- 10 before the age of 5
Third generation 2000- 36 vaccines even younger

Parents could be weakened genetically by the vaccines
and pass the weakness to their children. The children, who are getting even more vaccines at a younger age, would be more prone to autism.

Times that by two or three and genetic predisposition becomes reality.


http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/01/time-magazine-on-epigenetics-and-autism.html


The epigenome is then best understood as existing above your genes (or genome), but influencing how your genes work. The explanation offered by biologists is that if your genome can be compared to a computer’s hardware, the epigenome is the software telling it how to function. The process of changing the genome is through a process called DNA methylation; a single carbon atom attached to three hydrogen atoms. “When a methyl group attaches to a specific spot on a gene . . . it can change the gene’s expression, turning it off or on, dampening it or making it louder.”

All of which brings us back to autism.

Our community has long asserted our children were not genetically pre-determined to get autism. If autism was purely a genetic problem then the numbers should be 1 in 100 from here until the dawn of time. The autistic should be part of our culture, the stories we tell, the very fabric of our society. But they’re not. Instead we have stories about the tidal wave of adults with autism we can expect in the next few years and how poorly prepared we are for them. Nobody saw this problem until it was first described in the 1940s. From that time it’s gone from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 100. With that rate of increase, can it be long until it goes to 1 in 10? We need to find answers.

And let’s be clear about it. Most of us saw a change after a vaccination, a procedure which has become more common since our generation (10 vaccinations in the 1980’s before the age of 5 to 36 vaccinations under the current schedule) and has been administered at earlier ages.

Many of the far-sighted researchers and physicians in autism have been talking about DNA methylation for years. These concerns have finally begun to enter the mainstream conversation.
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Think of a boxer losing 5 fights by decision in his 15 year career.

Think of a boxer losing 10 fights by decision in his 5 year career.

Think of a boxer losing 35 fights by decision in his much less than a 5 year career.
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Quite possibly what is happening is a genetic weakening caused by vaccines.
Parents could be weakened genetically by the vaccines
and pass the weakness to their children.
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That's great...genetic weakening...how many hits of acid did it take to think of that one? But I bet if you put it on Net, someone will pick it. Maybe it'll go viral. Give it a shot. It might be you're only chance at fame.
 
Scott Sommers said:
That's great...genetic weakening...how many hits of acid did it take to think of that one? But I bet if you put it on Net, someone will pick it. Maybe it'll go viral. Give it a shot. It might be you're only chance at fame.
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First generation 1960- 5? age?
Second generation 1980- 10 before the age of 5
Third generation 2000- 36 vaccines even younger

I remember getting 7 shots in an hour, the "flying seven," in the Navy in my teens. I can't believe you people believe multiple vaccines are absolutely, unquestionably safe to give to to babies and toddlers.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/child-schedule.htm


22 shots before the age of 2!!!


http://kidshealth.org/parent/growth/medical/immunization_chart.html#





Birth

* Hep B: Hepatitis B vaccine (HBV); recommended to give the first dose at birth, but may be given at any age for those not previously immunized.

1-2 months

* Hep B: Second dose should be administered 1 to 2 months after the first dose.

2 months

* DTaP: Diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis vaccine
* Hib: Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccine
* IPV: Inactivated poliovirus vaccine
* PCV: Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine
* Rota: Rotavirus vaccine

4 months

* DTaP
* Hib
* IPV
* PCV
* Rota

6 months

* DTaP
* Hib
* PCV
* Rota

Continue

6 months and annually

* Seasonal influenza. Beginning in the 2010-2011 flu season, the seasonal influenza vaccine will protect against H1N1 flu, as well as other flu strains.

The vaccine is recommended every year for children older than 6 months. Kids under 9 who get a flu vaccine for the first time will receive it in two separate doses a month apart.

Although children 6 months to 5 years old are still considered the group of kids who need the flu vaccine the most, updated guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) now recommend that all older kids and teens get it, too (as long as enough is available).

It's especially important for high-risk kids to be vaccinated. High-risk groups include, but aren't limited to, kids with asthma, heart problems, sickle cell anemia, diabetes, or human immunodeficiency virus (HIV).

It can take up to 2 weeks after the shot is given for the body to build up immunity against the flu.

6-18 months

* Hep B
* IPV

12-15 months

* Hib
* MMR: Measles, mumps, and rubella (German measles) vaccine
* PCV
* Varicella (chickenpox) vaccine

12-23 months

* Hep A: Hepatitis A vaccine; given as two shots at least 6 months apart

15-18 months

* DTaP

4-6 years

* DTaP
* MMR
* IPV
* Varicella

11-12 years

* HPV: Human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine, given as 3 shots over 6 months. It's recommended for girls to prevent genital warts and cervical cancers. The vaccine also may be given to boys to prevent genital warts.
* Tdap: Tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis booster
* MCV: Meningitis vaccine; with a booster dose at age
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Clayton Moore said:
First generation 1960- 5? age?
Second generation 1980- 10 before the age of 5
Third generation 2000- 36 vaccines even younger

I remember getting 7 shots in an hour, the "flying seven," in the Navy in my teens. I can't believe you people believe multiple vaccines are absolutely, unquestionably safe to give to to babies and toddlers.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/child-schedule.htm


22 shots before the age of 2!!!


http://kidshealth.org/parent/growth/medical/immunization_chart.html#
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Do you have any evidence of "genetic weakening"?
Anything, as a concept.

Or are you (as suggested above) simply pulling things out of places you shouldn't be pulling things?
 
Clayton Moore said:
I can't believe you people believe multiple vaccines are absolutely, unquestionably safe to give to to babies and toddlers.
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Since nobody's claiming any such thing, I'm not surprised you can't believe it. But please keep punching, there's almost enough straw flying now.

Vaccines have been tested. In particular, a great deal of work has been done to determine whether the MMR vaccine produces an increase in the prevalence of autism. It has been found not to. The people operating purely from a belief are the ones who reject the evidence, and believe that the MMR vaccine unquestionably causes autism.

Dave
 
Tolls said:
Do you have any evidence of "genetic weakening"?
Anything, as a concept.

Or are you (as suggested above) simply pulling things out of places you shouldn't be pulling things?
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In case you've been over vaccinated supposition is an important part of the thinking process.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Since nobody's claiming any such thing, I'm not surprised you can't believe it. But please keep punching, there's almost enough straw flying now.

Vaccines have been tested. In particular, a great deal of work has been done to determine whether the MMR vaccine produces an increase in the prevalence of autism. It has been found not to. The people operating purely from a belief are the ones who reject the evidence, and believe that the MMR vaccine unquestionably causes autism.

Dave
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And yet?

http://www.bloomingtonalternative.com/node/10560


Under federal law, the only recourse families have when they suspect a vaccine caused their child's injuries is to petition the federal government in what is commonly called Vaccine Court, officially known as the Vaccine Program/Office of Special Claims.

The congressionally mandated court was established in 1988 to inoculate the vaccine industry against damage claims alleging harm from childhood immunizations. In the court's words, the program is "a no-fault compensation scheme whereby persons allegedly suffering injury or death as a result of the administration of certain compulsory childhood vaccines may petition the federal government for monetary damages."
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Vaccine Program/Office of Special Claims
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-programoffice-special-masters
 
Clayton Moore said:
And yet?

http://www.bloomingtonalternative.com/node/10560

Vaccine Program/Office of Special Claims
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-programoffice-special-masters
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Sometimes people are harmed by vaccines, but overall the benefit outweighs the harm.

That doesn't mean vaccines cause autism.

Just like...

Sometimes people are harmed by motor vehicles, but overall the benefit outweighs the harm.

That doesn't mean motor vehicles cause autism.

And...

Sometimes people are harmed by water, but overall the benefit outweighs the harm.

That doesn't mean water causes autism.

And so on, and so on.
 
I recommend THE STRANGE STORY OF THE QUANTUM by
Banesh Hoffmann for those of you who think science/medicine cannot advance via a path of wrong thinking.
 
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