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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Clayton Moore said:
Vaccine/autism CT discussion

Write that down.
First post of this thread.
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Thank you for pointing out the paranoid delusion in the first post of this thread Clayton Moore :D!
Let us see what happens in the real world:
  • Big pharma does not insist vaccines are absolutely safe.
    They publish fact sheets that every doctor reads and every patient should read. These list the side-effects of vaccines.
  • The mainstream media does not insist vaccines are absolutely safe.
    There are plenty of reports (some that you have cited, Clayton Moore :eek:) about the side-effects of vaccines.
"close to NONE of the vaccines are tested with a control group" is yet another unsupported bit of ignorance.
Vaccine trial
A vaccine trial is a clinical trial that aims at establishing the safety and efficacy of a vaccine prior to it being licensed.[1]
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Phase III Vaccine Trials
Successful Phase II candidate vaccines move on to larger trials, involving thousands to tens of thousands of people. These Phase III tests are randomized and double blind and involve the experimental vaccine being tested against a placebo (the placebo may be a saline solution, a vaccine for another disease, or some other substance).
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Clayton, if you ever feel the need to share your valuable insights into the pharmaceutical industry and vaccination with another audience I'm sure you'd receive a warm welcome here: http://www.badscience.net/forum/index.php

It needn't take too much time and effort - you could probably copy and paste much of your wit and wisdom from this thread.
 
Reality Check said:
Thank you for pointing out the paranoid delusion in the first post of this thread Clayton Moore :D!
Let us see what happens in the real world:
  • Big pharma does not insist vaccines are absolutely safe.
    They publish fact sheets that every doctor reads and every patient should read. These list the side-effects of vaccines.
  • The mainstream media does not insist vaccines are absolutely safe.
    There are plenty of reports (some that you have cited, Clayton Moore :eek:) about the side-effects of vaccines.
"close to NONE of the vaccines are tested with a control group" is yet another unsupported bit of ignorance.
Vaccine trial

Phase III Vaccine Trials
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I think you can safely say The View, now with Jenny McCarthy, is part of the mainstream media.
 
jdc324 said:
Clayton Moore said:
My google search for "autoimmune deficiency" must have been sabotaged by nefarious bots intent on discrediting me.
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My google search for "autoimmune deficiency" was successful. At least, it was successful in finding web pages containing the phrase.

My pubmed search brought up this message:

Quoted phrase not found.
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I could not be more interested in your explanation for this disparity Clayton. I cannot wait to hear why a google search promises nearly 25,000 results for the quoted phrase yet pubmed can't find a single paper that contains it (although it claims there are 8,971 for "immune deficiency" and 18,031 for "autoimmune disease").
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Clayton Moore said:
http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?queryT...rchButton.x=42&searchButton.y=8&action=search

Did you mean: auto immune deficiency
Results 1 - 10 of about 783

That's why I'm the big dog, the honest dog, the dog with integrity, HERE and wherever I choose to be.
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I think that exchange sums up the thread quite nicely.
 
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Sheer entertainment from Clayton sums the thread up.
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AFAICS, Non-US research, rejected out of hand, except when it agrees with CM.

US research rejected out of hand, except when it agrees with CM.

Sample size of said research, unimportant except when it agrees with CM.

Age of that research, very important except when it disagrees with CM.

The accept/reject is so arbitrary that presenting anything is largely pointless.
 
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Clayton is not interested in finding out what causes autism his only aim is to pin it on vaccines.
 
Piling on, here's another possible cause for Autism:

Autism Risk May Be Raised for Children When Labor Induced

My favorite part:

“Over the last decade or so, it has become clear that a combination of genetic and environmental risk factors contribute to risk for autism,” Alycia Halladay, senior director of environmental and clinical sciences at Autism Speaks, an advocacy organization, said in a statement.
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Another ignorant anti-vaxer web site has gone on a rant about 2 cases at the Vaccine Court:
Another zombie antivaccine meme rises from the grave again by Respectful Insolence.
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So now that we know that neither of these cases were actually cases of the government compensating a child’s family from having developed autism after being vaccinated with the MMR< we know that there is nothing to this article. Unfortunately, this article is an example of what I like to call a “zombie meme,” which is basically an antivaccine trope that keeps popping up time and time again for months or even years.
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Hey guys I am in a hurry and I need to debunk the court findings like this and the recent italian court ruling on vaccines. A fb friend is about to have kids and is posting all sorts of anti-vac nonsense. I can debunk the 1 in 50 Vs 1 in 25,000 claims using simple logic and math but this is her fall back. Don't have time to read the whole thread. Any help?

Thanks
 
Biscuit said:
Hey guys I am in a hurry and I need to debunk the court findings like this and the recent italian court ruling on vaccines. A fb friend is about to have kids and is posting all sorts of anti-vac nonsense. I can debunk the 1 in 50 Vs 1 in 25,000 claims using simple logic and math but this is her fall back. Don't have time to read the whole thread. Any help?

Thanks
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The link by Reality Check posted earlier analyzes that "court findings" claim.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/08/14/an-zombie-antivaccine-meme-rises-from-the-grave-again/
 
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