Assumption of mine or their(IDF)?
Of yours. The top people at least in IDF would know whether this was all mistake or mostly design.
Since there is baseline based on history of conflicts,where we can see a lot of mistakes and friendly fire incidents and a lot of misidentifications than designed attacks to be masked as FF or misidentification,it should be assumed that it will be more liekly to see FF/MI than DA.
And than we can invoke game theory and properly carried out false-flag attack or DA will not be ever discernable from FF/MI!
Game theory... I don't remember that exactly from College - the 'prisoner's dilemma' is coming to mind, and this seems like an interesting angle, re: the politics of the aftermath.
I'm not a big scholar of friendly fire and how stupendous errors happen all the time. For all I know, real false flag ops are common enough that militaries routinely do small FF incidents to provide the noise to disguise their big FF ops.
To tell the truth,this is on periphery of my interest.(There are other things to do...)
So I so far assume most probable explanation.
Thanks, so that's one reason to presume mistaken identity - it's not interesting enough to carefully study.
Jamming is I suspect not easy and from certain distance ship or jamming equipment is visible.Secondary whose ship would that be?Egyptian? Israelis?
Israeli or American, I'd presume. I'm actually not convinced about jamming. We hear reports of a "jamming sound" and blocked channels, but at least one channel was open and they got messages out. IMO, they said "unidentified jets" for fear if they said "Israeli" there'd be no response. Anyway, if they were trying to silence and erase the ship and all signs of their own presence, it failed. And as you point out there are technical problems with the notion, tho I don't feel it's been disproven.
ETA: Oops, forgot you meant radar jamming.
I'd clearly suspect the mystery ship(s) in question. Don't know how that stuff works...
And then there is quality of equipment of theat day and margin of error of measurment.Is that known?Since computing speed from radar returns on big distance can have quite nice error and comparing it from two close sources won't eliminate it.
It's not known by me. But I have a hard time visualizing a ship moving x distance between returns would show up on-screen as almost 6X between. Plus - consider this - app 15 mi range normal, their first return shows at 22 mi, acc. to
this IDF map, that reading was taken 28 miles from the Liberty. So if 22 is at all problematic, where was the target really? Closer or further?
I will follow thread,but I don't think I am interested enough to do a lot of research as end of term is near.
Absolutely, keep your priorities right end up or you'll end up like me with college debt but no degree. After that, however, re-consider.
However my suggestions are:eliminate any error of equipment and any error of measurment as source of strange/errorneous data,conclusions.
This would be a coup if I could show the Israeli details impossible for one ship. I'm not a radar or radar jamming expert, and not sure where to find such detailed info, but I'll look into it. Just showing improbability is enough for me.
Then eliminate any possibility from domain of MI,procedural and tacticals including visibility,assumptions of Israelis and any failure on part of americans.
Impossibly high hurdle. Identification happens in peoples' brains, and I don't know how to *know* what they were thinking. I don't deal in possibles, in case you didn't notice, but probabilities.
And why two ships and not one ship and sight-trick?(Sea Fata-morgana?)
Never heard of that, sounds like BS for this example.
Then explain what jamming,how it was carried out,who carried neccessary equipment and where it was stored unaffecting anything else and outer appearence of eq-carrier.
If possible, that would be amazing.
And then more of those mile high hurdles. Sorry, not deterred, I have no need to run on your track. Still laps ahead on my own.
However so far no significant holes in OT.Just some questions,which cannot be most probably asnwered without time machine or brand new source
Lol, you're okay.
And remember any memories can fail or brain create more details which are not true(but subject believes their correct),so any participants from both side unless backed-up by logs,diaries or other confirmation should be regarded as unreliable.
That's my take.
I'll add that logs and such can be altered if there is a cover-up going on, don't be naiive. But that's a good point for the knee-jerk CTists who believe every little memory flicker of the godlike Liberty crew, so long as it furthers the purposeful attack storyline. (I tend to believe them on stuff, BTW, just with reservations).
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