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USA torturing Bradley Manning

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Extracts from article, linked below":


Solitary confinement is ... a method of inflicting traumatic injury upon the human mind. “It’s an awful thing, solitary,” wrote former Vietnam prisoner John McCain in Faith of My Fathers. “It crushes your spirit and weakens your resistance more effectively than any other form of mistreatment.”

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Bradley Manning, the 22-year-old U.S. Army Private accused of leaking classified documents to WikiLeaks, has been detained in solitary confinement for the last seven months, despite not having been convicted of any crime, having been a model detainee, and having evidenced no signs of violence or even disciplinary misdemeanors. Manning has been kept alone in a cell for 23 hours a day, barred from exercising in that cell, deprived of sleep, and denied even a pillow or sheets for his bed. ... “the brig’s medical personnel now administer regular doses of anti-depressants to Manning to prevent his brain from snapping from the effects of this isolation.” A court hearing has not been set.



'WikiLeaks: Locking Up Whistleblower Bradley Manning in Solitary Confinement Puts America's Depravity on Full Display

We as American citizens should not accept torture by our government, and that's what the military is doing to Bradley Manning.'
 
More appropriately, what do YOU think they say, funk? I've read a lot about this in the past few weeks, and I don't think it's full-blown torture, but it clearly has a punitive or coercive aspect to it (in my opinion, of course).
 
JihadJane said:
Extracts from article, linked below":


Solitary confinement is ... a method of inflicting traumatic injury upon the human mind. “It’s an awful thing, solitary,” wrote former Vietnam prisoner John McCain in Faith of My Fathers. “It crushes your spirit and weakens your resistance more effectively than any other form of mistreatment.”

...

Bradley Manning, the 22-year-old U.S. Army Private accused of leaking classified documents to WikiLeaks, has been detained in solitary confinement for the last seven months, despite not having been convicted of any crime, having been a model detainee, and having evidenced no signs of violence or even disciplinary misdemeanors. Manning has been kept alone in a cell for 23 hours a day, barred from exercising in that cell, deprived of sleep, and denied even a pillow or sheets for his bed. ... “the brig’s medical personnel now administer regular doses of anti-depressants to Manning to prevent his brain from snapping from the effects of this isolation.” A court hearing has not been set.



'WikiLeaks: Locking Up Whistleblower Bradley Manning in Solitary Confinement Puts America's Depravity on Full Display

We as American citizens should not accept torture by our government, and that's what the military is doing to Bradley Manning.'
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Is this a complaint?
 
A Laughing Baby said:
More appropriately, what do YOU think they say, funk? I've read a lot about this in the past few weeks, and I don't think it's full-blown torture, but it clearly has a punitive or coercive aspect to it (in my opinion, of course).
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See post 8. See if you can help Childlike.
 
Without reading that part, I'll tell you that I think you pulled it out because his bed has been changed to include a built in pillow and he is given a blanket (which he has likened to a dentist's x-ray blanket, but I will allow that to be discarded as hearsay). Regardless, despite never being deemed suicidal or being on suicide watch, he is required to not cover his head up or face the wall, etc.
 
A Laughing Baby said:
Without reading that part, I'll tell you that I think you pulled it out because his bed has been changed to include a built in pillow and he is given a blanket (which he has likened to a dentist's x-ray blanket, but I will allow that to be discarded as hearsay). Regardless, despite never being deemed suicidal or being on suicide watch, he is required to not cover his head up or face the wall, etc.
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He has a mattrress with built in pillow and two blankets.

So, is the OP honest?
 
funk de fino said:
He has a mattrress with built in pillow and two blankets.

So, is the OP honest?
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By and large, by most if not all accounts, yes. There are exceptions, like the one you picked, but it is widely known that Pfc Manning is held in solitary confinement, and has been for seven months. There is quibbling over specifics, making it seem more or less unbearable (depending on the stance of the debater), but the core principle--that a man has been held in solitary confinement before his trial for seven months--is the one at hand, at least in my opinion. In this case, I refuse to be taken into a pointless argument over specifics (bedsheets, the requirement to say "yes" at set intervals to guards, etc.) which make the conditions of his solitary confinement sound more or less byzantine, when the issue of meaning is whether or not seven months of solitary confinement (before being found guilty of or even being tried for the charge) constitutes torture.
 
Hmmmm... My guess is that he is in a prison full of servicemen?

He is in solitary for his own protection. Just because those other servicemen are convicts does not men they wouldn't consider their patriotic duty to beat the 'secrets' out of him.
 
A Laughing Baby said:
By and large, by most if not all accounts, yes. There are exceptions, like the one you picked, but it is widely known that Pfc Manning is held in solitary confinement, and has been for seven months. There is quibbling over specifics, making it seem more or less unbearable (depending on the stance of the debater), but the core principle--that a man has been held in solitary confinement before his trial for seven months--is the one at hand, at least in my opinion. In this case, I refuse to be taken into a pointless argument over specifics (bedsheets, the requirement to say "yes" at set intervals to guards, etc.) which make the conditions of his solitary confinement sound more or less byzantine, when the issue of meaning is whether or not seven months of solitary confinement (before being found guilty of or even being tried for the charge) constitutes torture.
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Never mind why he is in solitary.

Let's just say, for the sake of discussion, that some of you decide that solitary confinement is torture. What would you do about it? Be really angry and snippy with the ones who disagree?
 
JihadJane said:
Extracts from article, linked below":


Solitary confinement is ... a method of inflicting traumatic injury upon the human mind. “It’s an awful thing, solitary,” wrote former Vietnam prisoner John McCain in Faith of My Fathers. “It crushes your spirit and weakens your resistance more effectively than any other form of mistreatment.”

...

Bradley Manning, the 22-year-old U.S. Army Private accused of leaking classified documents to WikiLeaks, has been detained in solitary confinement for the last seven months, despite not having been convicted of any crime, having been a model detainee, and having evidenced no signs of violence or even disciplinary misdemeanors. Manning has been kept alone in a cell for 23 hours a day, barred from exercising in that cell, deprived of sleep, and denied even a pillow or sheets for his bed. ... “the brig’s medical personnel now administer regular doses of anti-depressants to Manning to prevent his brain from snapping from the effects of this isolation.” A court hearing has not been set.



'WikiLeaks: Locking Up Whistleblower Bradley Manning in Solitary Confinement Puts America's Depravity on Full Display

We as American citizens should not accept torture by our government, and that's what the military is doing to Bradley Manning.'
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So your argument is that because John McCain gave his opinion of something, that makes it the truth?

John McCain thought he should have been president instead of Barack Obama. Do you agree with that too?
 
A Laughing Baby said:
More appropriately, what do YOU think they say, funk? I've read a lot about this in the past few weeks, and I don't think it's full-blown torture, but it clearly has a punitive or coercive aspect to it (in my opinion, of course).
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Since when have authorities not been allowed to use punitive or coercive methods?
 
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