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USA torturing Bradley Manning

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/psychologists-protest-treatment-bradley-manning/

I dunno who to believe, a bunch of posters on a forum or trained psychologists.....

Oh, please. You know exactly who to believe: anybody who affirms your preconceived notions.

Or are you now going to tell us that you believed the trained legal experts in the Bush administration over a bunch of posters on a forum, when it came to the question of whether it was legal to waterboard alleged terrorists?
 
Oh, please. You know exactly who to believe: anybody who affirms your preconceived notions.

Or are you now going to tell us that you believed the trained legal experts in the Bush administration over a bunch of posters on a forum, when it came to the question of whether it was legal to waterboard alleged terrorists?

As opposed to the overwhelming majority of legal experts that proved waterboarding is torture based on precedence?
 
You deny a prisoner "real" pillows and blankets if you think he might kill himself.

This is elementary.

You take his shoelaces too.

It's not torture.

Again, Manning is not and has never been found to be a suicide risk by his periodical psych review.
 
You know what also causes psychological damage?

Just being in prison period! There's no way you can create a prison that isn't going to be psychologically damaging in some way. In this case he's probably lucky to be in solitary. When my little brother was awaiting trial we were relieved that they kept him in solitary for those 53 days because we didn't think he'd come out of the general population alive.
 
It seems to me that the core argument in support of his treatment going on here (with some variation, of course) is essentially "he deserves it." No expansion here, just commenting.
 
Manning related to me on December 18 2010 that he is not allowed to view international news during his television period. He mentioned that he might theoretically be able to view local news, but his television period is typically from 7pm – 8pm such that no local news is playing in the Quantico, VA area.

Manning told me explicitly on December 18 2010 that he is not, nor has he ever been, allowed newspapers while in confinement. When I said “The Pentagon has stated that you are allowed newspapers”, his immediate reaction was surprised laughter.
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Manning stated to me on December 18 2010 that he has not been outside or into the brig yard for either recreation nor exercise in four full weeks. He related that visits to the outdoors have been infrequent and sporadic for the past several months.

Manning related to me on December 18 2010 that he does not receive any substantive exercise and cannot perform even basic exercises in his cell. When told of the Pentagon’s statement that he did indeed receive exercise, Manning’s reply was that he is able to exercise insofar as walking in chains is a form of exercise.
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Manning related to me on December 19 2010 that his blankets are similar in weight and heft to lead aprons used in X-ray laboratories, and similar in texture to coarse and stiff carpet. He stated explicitly that the blankets are not soft in the least and expressed concern that he had to lie very still at night to avoid receiving carpet burns. The problem of carpet burns was exacerbated, he related, by the stipulation that he must sleep only in his boxer shorts as part of the longstanding POI order. Manning also stated on December 19 2010 that hallway-mounted lights shine through his window at night. This constant illumination is consistent with reports from attorney David Coombs’ blog that marines must visually inspect Manning as he sleeps.

So, we've determined that he does in fact have blankets and pillows, but they're not as soft as he would like them to be. He is allowed to have visitors, during which he can give interviews in which he freely describes the conditions of his confinement. He's allowed to watch television, just not "international news". He has been allowed outside several times during his confinement. At night, his lights are turned off, but through the window in his cell door he can see that the lights remain on out in the hallway.

As torturous and inhumane as not being able to watch World News Tonight and the guards leaving the hallway lights on may be, it's obvious that Manning is not enduring the sort of absolute-severance-from-human-contact, sensory-deprivation-style solitary confinement that his supporters would have us believe he's suffering, and which is talked about as so devastatingly harmful by psychologists.
 
Is solitary confinement only torture in the case of Manning? Or is it also torture in the case of the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of prisoners in U.S. supermax prisons who are also kept in solitary confinement?

If it's the latter, why are we only hearing complaints about it now?
 
It is not a bunch of nutcases who think solitary is horrible, it is most civilized people. Another case where the U.S. doesn't come up to standard.

This is interesting. In the many Death Penalty debates I've seen on this forum, an argument often presented by the pro-DP side is that the Death Penalty prevents the person from harming others (guards, other inmates, etc) while in prison (or upon escape). The counter-argument is often that other measures -- such as solitary confinement -- would serve the same purpose.
 
Oh come on. I doubt the general population would hate him. It's not like he raped a child. He supposedly leaked some "classified" information that amounted to be a bunch of gossip between diplomats.

He's in the marine brig at Quantico. The general population there is marines, which I would guess means a higher than average love of country, even if they are in the brig. So I would hazard a guess that they are generally less than sympathetic to Pvt Manning and might feel the urge to make their displeasure with Manning known to him.
 
It seems to me that the core argument in support of his treatment going on here (with some variation, of course) is essentially "he deserves it." No expansion here, just commenting.
Did you miss my point that he has knowledge of classified information, and is in jail because he is suspected of passing that classified information to a 3rd party, so why would he be allowed to mingle with the general population where he could reveal more classified information?
 
Did you miss my point that he has knowledge of classified information, and is in jail because he is suspected of passing that classified information to a 3rd party, so why would he be allowed to mingle with the general population where he could reveal more classified information?

I was too busy laughing at the idea of Manning walking around whispering state secrets to anyone who would listen to him in (the military equivalent of) genpop.
 
Who gives a crap about Bradley Manning?

Either what is happening to him violate the UCMJ/US law or it doesn't Apparently, it doesn't. If it did we would have articles on the massive suit and appeals from the lawyer in a court. Instead, the lawyer seems to be using the court of public opinion.

So, that means if you disagree with the treatment, your problem is with the US detention system. Debate that.
 
You deny a prisoner "real" pillows and blankets if you think he might kill himself.

This is elementary.

You take his shoelaces too.

It's not torture.
Yet he passed a psychological test and is not deemed suicidal.
 
Who gives a crap about Bradley Manning?

Either what is happening to him violate the UCMJ/US law or it doesn't Apparently, it doesn't. If it did we would have articles on the massive suit and appeals from the lawyer in a court. Instead, the lawyer seems to be using the court of public opinion.

So, that means if you disagree with the treatment, your problem is with the US detention system. Debate that.

I have a lot of problems with the US detention system, but that's another thread in and of itself.
 

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