US Officially Blames Russia

NoahFence said:
Why else would he be in his inner circle?

Couple this with his almost pathological need to praise Putin at every turn.
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"Almost pathological" is another way of saying "not actually pathological". Which forces us to conclude that Hillary Clinton owes Barack Obama a lot of money. Observe:

Hillary Clinton has people in her inner circle who are linked to Barack Obama. Why else would they be there, unless Clinton owes Obama money?

Couple that with her not actually pathological need to praise Obama at every turn. In fact, I bet Hillary says nice things about Obama in public, more often than Trump does about Putin.
 
NoahFence said:
Why else would he be in his inner circle?
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Why else? Perhaps because Manafort is a lickspittle, and Trump likes that sort. No need to appeal to phantasmal debts. Really, the known truth is bad enough, you don't need to invent conspiracies.
 
theprestige said:
"Almost pathological" is another way of saying "not actually pathological". Which forces us to conclude that Hillary Clinton owes Barack Obama a lot of money. Observe:

Hillary Clinton has people in her inner circle who are linked to Barack Obama. Why else would they be there, unless Clinton owes Obama money?

Couple that with her not actually pathological need to praise Obama at every turn. In fact, I bet Hillary says nice things about Obama in public, more often than Trump does about Putin.
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:boggled:

whatever you say kiddo.
 
NoahFence said:
http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/

Does TIME magazine?
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Yep. The problem isn't so much that Trump has already loans with Russian oligarchs, but that he needs them for any future loans:
But the real truth is that, as major banks in America stopped lending him money following his many bankruptcies, the Trump organization was forced to seek financing from non-traditional institutions. Several had direct ties to Russian financial interests in ways that have raised eyebrows. What’s more, several of Trump’s senior advisors have business ties to Russia or its satellite politicians.
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And for all intents and purposes, those Russian oligarchs will do what Putin wants them to, because they owe their position to him.
 
NoahFence said:
http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/

Does TIME magazine?
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Newsweek

Updated | I am Sidney Blumenthal. At least, that is what Vladimir Putin—and, somehow, Donald Trump—seem to believe. And that should raise concerns not only about Moscow’s attempts to manipulate this election, but also how Trump came to push Russian disinformation to American voters.
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http://europe.newsweek.com/vladimir...on-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635?rm=eu

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This false story was only reported by the Russian controlled agency (a reference appeared in a Turkish publication, but it was nothing but a link to the Sputnik article). So how did Donald Trump end up advancing the same falsehood put out by Putin’s mouthpiece?
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dudalb said:
WHat cracks me up is if a Democrat had these ties to Putin, some of the Trump defensers here would be screaming for blood.
And forget if Trump Owes Russian interests money or not, his admiration for a dictator like PUtin is not something I like to see in a President.
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Umm, you mean like Obama kow-towing to the Saudi emperor?

And didn't Hill broker a deal for radioactive material with the Russkies? Via her foundation? Seems it's her bread that is buttered by Putin.
 
casebro said:
Umm, you mean like Obama kow-towing to the Saudi emperor?

And didn't Hill broker a deal for radioactive material with the Russkies? Via her foundation? Seems it's her bread that is buttered by Putin.
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It's all of them. Politicians are the US's biggest vulnerability.
 
Curious, you think that someone would have said that Trump was the beneficiary of the hacks when they hacked Colin Powell who said stuff like:

But a hack of Mr. Powell’s email this week has ripped away the diplomatic jargon and political niceties to reveal his unvarnished disdain of Donald J. Trump as a “national disgrace,”
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Hmm, I also seem to recall that these hacked emails were gleefully repeated by Clinton's minions.

I guess Clinton owes Putin money or something.

Nice of Obama to get off his lame duck ass when the emails leaks started hurting Hillary, huh?
 
NoahFence said:
You think Hillary is more manageable than Trump?
Come on. Trump has already been played like a fiddle multiple times. Hillary's done it. The Mexican President did it.
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Oh, believe me, I'm in no way defending Trump. He's just as bad as the Democrats, if not worse. I'm just saying Trump's more unpredictable. Putin couldn't know for certain that Trump would stay bought. As far as being played like a fiddle, it's entirely possible that Trump would be played like a fiddle just as much as President Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry have been by Putin for the last eight years. Trump wasn't president during the invasion of Ukraine or Putin propping up Assad in Syria. Really, it's hard to see how relations with Russia could actually get worse without full blown war breaking out. But I'm not claiming that Trump would do any better.

As far as all of Trump's financial dealings, again, Clinton's just as bad, if not worse. Yes, the big scandal everyone remembers from the Clinton years is Bill Clinton admitting to perjury, suborning perjury, and obstruction of justice in the Jones v. Clinton civil suit, but the majority of the Clinton scandals involving both Bill and Hillary were financial in nature. Everything from Hillary's cattle future bribes and the Whitewater scam before they were even in Washington, to millions of dollars in "donations" from Saudi Arabia for the Clinton Presidential Library and Massage Parlor to Hugh Rodham's Cash4Pardons scam when the Clinton's were getting ready to leave the White House, just about everything was about the dollars for them.

Me personally, I think we're all ****** either way. :mad:
 
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