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US Officially Blames Russia

SashatheMagnificent said:
I was under the impression that you are US citizen. Sorry
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Oh, you meant a pass from the US, using 'you' as a stand in for my country.

Yes he does. Putin could not get away with invading neighbors or propping up a client state without the US setting it out. Hell, he couldn't get away with it without any four members of NATO setting it out. Depending on the members, any one. He's not as powerful as he plays, because Russia's military might isn't that great right now, and it's economic might is even further behind.
 
tyr_13 said:
Oh, you meant a pass from the US, using 'you' as a stand in for my country.

Yes he does. Putin could not get away with invading neighbors or propping up a client state without the US setting it out. Hell, he couldn't get away with it without any four members of NATO setting it out. Depending on the members, any one. He's not as powerful as he plays, because Russia's military might isn't that great right now, and it's economic might is even further behind.
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This is not what you were talking about
 
This plays into the storyline of Trump as Putin's pmuppet

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/161a...k-un-criticism-trump-prompts-russian-response

GENEVA (AP) — Russia lodged a formal complaint last month with the United Nations over a top U.N. official's condemnations of Donald Trump and some European politicians, an intervention that underscores the unusual links between the Republican presidential nominee and the Kremlin.

There is no evidence Trump sought Russia's assistance, or was even aware of the criticism by Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights.
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NoahFence said:
??

How in the world did you translate what I said into that? :confused:
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theprestige said:
Your entire thesis in this thread is that Trump is easy to manipulate if he owes you money.
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Precisely. That was your stated reason for why Trump would be under Putin's control: this idea (which you invented out of whole cloth) that he owed Putin lots of money. But since you're now claiming that Hillary can control Trump too, and debt is your stated reason for how Trump can be controlled, then it seems reasonable to wonder if you think Hillary is controlling Trump because of a debt he owes her. I mean, if you're going to invent a debt to Putin, why not invent a debt to Hillary too. Your theory didn't make sense from the beginning, I shouldn't expect it to start making sense now.
 
theprestige said:
Your entire thesis in this thread is that Trump is easy to manipulate if he owes you money.
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No, it's that he's easily manipulated, period.

Money is just how Putin would have done it. Hillary did it with Muchado, the Kahns, etc. The Mexican President used Trump's bravado against him.
 
NoahFence said:
No, it's that he's easily manipulated, period.

Money is just how Putin would have done it.
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With huge sums of money that Trump magically owes Putin. Even though Trump doesn't care about defaulting. And he never borrowed from Putin in the first place.

Putin's money really is powerful! :rolleyes:
 
NoahFence said:
http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/10...ayments-from-russia-to-trump-campaign-panics/
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"He says he assisted Trump with marketing the sale of his condos in Russia."

Oh Noes! Trump sold condos to Russians! That must mean that he owes them lots of money because... no, that's not right... when you sell something to someone, you don't owe them anything after the transaction is complete, and while the transaction is in process, they owe you money, not the other way around.

Maybe those condos were packed with uranium. There's got to be a scandal in here somewhere.
 
NoahFence said:
Okee doke. As long as you're convinced I guess we're good.

:rolleyes:
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You made a claim, but can't produce any evidence for it. What you presented as evidence wasn't anything of the sort. I'm not the one with a tenuous grasp of reality here.
 
People in Trump's inner circle (Paul Manafort for one) have unquestioned ties to Russian Oligarchy.

This is a simple fact.

deal with it.
 
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