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US Officially Blames Russia

NoahFence said:
He doesn't owe his campaign advisors money by the truckload.
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He doesn't owe Putin money by the truckload either. And even if he did, well, Trump has proven himself quite willing to default on debts. So much so that one wonders why anyone would give him money and expect anything in return.

Trump's statements about Putin are troubling, but the idea that he's actually being controlled by Putin is not grounded on anything resembling reality.
 
Ziggurat said:
He doesn't owe Putin money by the truckload either. And even if he did, well, Trump has proven himself quite willing to default on debts. So much so that one wonders why anyone would give him money and expect anything in return.

Trump's statements about Putin are troubling, but the idea that he's actually being controlled by Putin is not grounded on anything resembling reality.
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Just for a second, entertain the notion that I'm right. There is quite a bit of evidence that points there, so it's not like I'm totally out of left field here.

Having said that, do you suppose it's a bit different, owing an architect money for your resort, than it is owing money to the despotic leader of an entire country with a nuclear arsenal and ambitions of conquest?

Donald Trump is good at owing these people money:
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NoahFence said:
Just for a second, entertain the notion that I'm right. There is quite a bit of evidence that points there, so it's not like I'm totally out of left field here.
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There is not quite a bit of evidence that Trump owes Putin a lot of money.

Having said that, do you suppose it's a bit different, owing an architect money for your resort, than it is owing money to the despotic leader of an entire country with a nuclear arsenal and ambitions of conquest?
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In this hypothetical, how exactly do you think Putin could strike at Trump? Do you think Putin would have Trump assassinated? Do you think Putin would use that nuclear weapons arsenal against Trump? What's Putin's play here? And why would whatever threats Putin could level at Trump be any different from the threats he could level at any other President?
 
Ziggurat said:
There is not quite a bit of evidence that Trump owes Putin a lot of money.
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There is. Can we please just deal with reality? This article is not nothing.



In this hypothetical, how exactly do you think Putin could strike at Trump? Do you think Putin would have Trump assassinated? Do you think Putin would use that nuclear weapons arsenal against Trump? What's Putin's play here? And why would whatever threats Putin could level at Trump be any different from the threats he could level at any other President?
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You're not hearing me. Apologies.
With Donald Trump as President, Putin gets someone that he can control. Because of truckloads of money. Putin wants to take maybe another couple of chunks out of Ukraine or any other state over there, maybe a debt can be forgiven if Trump does nothing?
 
theprestige said:
How could Putin control Trump?

By forgiving his (alleged) debts? Trump doesn't seem to care about that.

What else is there? Be specific.
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Well, it doesn't seem to matter now with that new tape from 2005.

But if Trump does nothing to hinder Putin's advances, and Putin forgives the debts, Trump will still be the king in his mind. Remember, we're dealing with Donald Trump. The guy is a hot mess. Who knows what goes on in that head of his?
 
NoahFence said:
There is. Can we please just deal with reality? This article is not nothing.
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How does an article about Manfort show evidence that Trump owes Putin lot's of money?




You're not hearing me. Apologies.
With Donald Trump as President, Putin gets someone that he can control. Because of truckloads of money.
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But if there are no truckloads of money than this goes out the window.
Putin wants to take maybe another couple of chunks out of Ukraine or any other state over there, maybe a debt can be forgiven if Trump does nothing?
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This sounds like CT.
 
Yes it does sound like CT. I'm sure if someone were watching the rise of Hitler they'd have said the same thing.

This guy is flat out unfit for the Presidency.
 
NoahFence said:
Well, it doesn't seem to matter now with that new tape from 2005.

But if Trump does nothing to hinder Putin's advances, and Putin forgives the debts, Trump will still be the king in his mind. Remember, we're dealing with Donald Trump. The guy is a hot mess. Who knows what goes on in that head of his?
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Ah, gotcha. This is Yet Another Very Concerned About Trump thread.
 
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