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US Officially Blames Russia

WHat cracks me up is if a Democrat had these ties to Putin, some of the Trump defensers here would be screaming for blood.
And forget if Trump Owes Russian interests money or not, his admiration for a dictator like PUtin is not something I like to see in a President.
 
theprestige said:
If Hillary wins, Russia won't try to manipulate her?
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who is russia supporting at the moment? who is pushing their agenda whilst running for president?

if russia thought they had a hold on hillary they'd be pushing for her to win over the orange one
 
Of course Trump could end the speculation by releasing his tax returns.
 
NoahFence said:
Of course they will. Who do you suppose is more pliable?
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Hillary. We know she's capable of making rational choices that favor her own self-interest. Make her an offer she can't refuse, and she'll take it. Make Trump an offer he can't refuse, do you seriously think he'll do the smart thing? He foolishly acts against his own self-interest al the time. I don't think owing money to Russians would trouble him much at all, or influence his decision-making in any significant way.

As for the other threats you alluded to--nuclear weapons, for example--do you really think Trump is more likely to back down from a nuclear confrontation?
 
NoahFence said:
Just for a second, entertain the notion that I'm right. There is quite a bit of evidence that points there, so it's not like I'm totally out of left field here.

Having said that, do you suppose it's a bit different, owing an architect money for your resort, than it is owing money to the despotic leader of an entire country with a nuclear arsenal and ambitions of conquest?

Donald Trump is good at owing these people money:
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All of America is good at owing these kids money. We're up to $161,000 per taxpayer. I don't know about you, but I feel we are definitely getting our money's worth.
 
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NoahFence said:
There is. Can we please just deal with reality? This article is not nothing.
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It's not nothing, but it's also not what you claimed. You claimed that Trump owed Putin lots of money. But your link is about Manafort, not Trump, and Manafort wasn't loaned money, he was paid, which means Manfort doesn't owe anything. Such connections might incline one to look favorably on their former benefactor, and I do not deny that this is a concern, but it still isn't close to what you claimed.

You're not hearing me. Apologies.
With Donald Trump as President, Putin gets someone that he can control. Because of truckloads of money.
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Trump doesn't owe Putin any money, and money doesn't have magical powers of mind control. Money only works as either a carrot or a stick, and your claimed stick doesn't exist. As for the carrot approach (ie, bribery), why is Trump unique? Hillary may have already compromised the State department in exchange for Clinton Foundation donations.

Putin wants to take maybe another couple of chunks out of Ukraine or any other state over there, maybe a debt can be forgiven if Trump does nothing?
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Except that no such debt exists.
 
theprestige said:
Seriously, the more likely scenario is that Putin will try to boss Trump around by calling in the debt, and Trump will reply with nukes.
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No. Putin is much more intelligent than this. He'd invade a neighbor, prop up a client state, or crack down on reporters in Russia (a.k.a. murder some more of them), and avoid sanctions or other actions from the US simply by flattering Trump beforehand. Putin would call for Mexico to pay for the wall Trump wants, and call Trump a 'good, strong leader with the best class', and Trump would give him a pass on anything Trump doesn't care about, such as law, international relations, free speech and press, or words not about him.

Trump really isn't hard to manipulate.
 
NoahFence said:
Of course they will. Who do you suppose is more pliable?
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Hillary for certain. Trump's unpredictable, but Hillary's a lot more manageable, as long as she gets the cash up front. As a matter of fact, do we have any idea how much Russian money has been funneled, directly or indirectly, to Hillary through the Clinton Foundation already? Putin's a thug who pines for the old days of the Soviet Union, but he's not an idiot. The Clinton Foundation is an obvious in for someone as corrupt as Hillary.
 
You think Hillary is more manageable than Trump?
Come on. Trump has already been played like a fiddle multiple times. Hillary's done it. The Mexican President did it.
 
NoahFence said:
You think Hillary is more manageable than Trump?
Come on. Trump has already been played like a fiddle multiple times. Hillary's done it. The Mexican President did it.
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Are you claiming now that Trump owed them lots of money too?
 
tyr_13 said:
No. Putin is much more intelligent than this. He'd invade a neighbor, prop up a client state, or crack down on reporters in Russia (a.k.a. murder some more of them), and avoid sanctions or other actions from the US simply by flattering Trump beforehand. Putin would call for Mexico to pay for the wall Trump wants, and call Trump a 'good, strong leader with the best class', and Trump would give him a pass on anything Trump doesn't care about, such as law, international relations, free speech and press, or words not about him.

Trump really isn't hard to manipulate.
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If you think Putin needs a pass from you I have a long bridge to sell you ����
 
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