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Merged US may close Cuba Embassy over 'health attacks'
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I mentioned the YouGov poll in post 1,772. Here with a little more detail. This probably shouldn't come as a surprise:
I guess most of the 45% of people who have heard about (and still remember) the 'syndrome' lost interest in the story before it was revealed that the alleged sonic weapon was nothing but the misinterpreted sound of crickets and before the conspiracy nuts then had to shift to the microwave delusion.
That would also explain why as many as 39% still believe that the 'syndrome' was caused by an attack.
58% hadn't even heard about the ODNI report!
I guess most of the 45% of people who have heard about (and still remember) the 'syndrome' lost interest in the story before it was revealed that the alleged sonic weapon was nothing but the misinterpreted sound of crickets and before the conspiracy nuts then had to shift to the microwave delusion.
That would also explain why as many as 39% still believe that the 'syndrome' was caused by an attack.
58% hadn't even heard about the ODNI report!
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PETA's unabridged letter to the Department of Defense (Mar 13, 2023) about the Wayne State University microwaving ferret and primate brains.
I have listened to the new podcast from The Nation about "the age of imaginary super-weapons and wild threat inflation":
But ... I have a hard time understanding the voice (or the recording of the voice) of Branko Marcetic from Jacobin (see post 1,784) in his conversation with The Nation's Jeet Heet. I think my problem is mainly due to my impaired hearing, so the podcast will probably be intelligible to most of you. Their conversation is mainly about the political context of the 'syndrome'.
But ... I have a hard time understanding the voice (or the recording of the voice) of Branko Marcetic from Jacobin (see post 1,784) in his conversation with The Nation's Jeet Heet. I think my problem is mainly due to my impaired hearing, so the podcast will probably be intelligible to most of you. Their conversation is mainly about the political context of the 'syndrome'.
Retinal bleeding revisited
I suspect that this commentary may have been the reason why Nicky Woolf and Project Brazen used Karen Coats's retinal bleeding to dismiss mass psychogenic illness and as proof positive that the 'Havana Syndrome' was caused by a microwave attack:
It is so easy to forget the word hypothetical and all the other things that can cause retinal bleeding (see post 1,661) when you want to convince people that a microwave attack has taken place. In his article in The Sunday Times (also post 1,661), Nicky Woolf wrote that Karen Coats had been told by her doctors that "they’d “only ever seen this when somebody has a trauma to their head, like a car accident,”" even though Wikipedia informs us that "retinal hemorrhage can be caused by several medical conditions such as hypertension, retinal vein occlusion (a blockage of a retinal vein), anemia, leukemia or diabetes," and that in adults, "retinal hemorrhages are largely spontaneous, secondary to chronic medical conditions such as hypertension."
Somebody is lying here, but I don't think Nicky Woolf will tell us. Did he just rely on Karen Coats' story? Didn't he ask her doctors? If he didn't, it's sloppy research. If he did and they confirmed her story, he owes his listeners to reveal who those doctors were.
But I fear that Nicky Woolf has a vested interest in the 'Havana Syndrome'. I see no other reason for neglecting to follow up on mass psychogenic illness after dismissing what Robert Baloh, a leading neurologist, had said. Nicky Woolf: "A 2019 paper concluded “a wholly psychogenic cause is very unlikely.”"
'Nothing to see here, a paper has dismissed Baloh's ideas!'
I suspect that this commentary may have been the reason why Nicky Woolf and Project Brazen used Karen Coats's retinal bleeding to dismiss mass psychogenic illness and as proof positive that the 'Havana Syndrome' was caused by a microwave attack:
It is so easy to forget the word hypothetical and all the other things that can cause retinal bleeding (see post 1,661) when you want to convince people that a microwave attack has taken place. In his article in The Sunday Times (also post 1,661), Nicky Woolf wrote that Karen Coats had been told by her doctors that "they’d “only ever seen this when somebody has a trauma to their head, like a car accident,”" even though Wikipedia informs us that "retinal hemorrhage can be caused by several medical conditions such as hypertension, retinal vein occlusion (a blockage of a retinal vein), anemia, leukemia or diabetes," and that in adults, "retinal hemorrhages are largely spontaneous, secondary to chronic medical conditions such as hypertension."
Somebody is lying here, but I don't think Nicky Woolf will tell us. Did he just rely on Karen Coats' story? Didn't he ask her doctors? If he didn't, it's sloppy research. If he did and they confirmed her story, he owes his listeners to reveal who those doctors were.
But I fear that Nicky Woolf has a vested interest in the 'Havana Syndrome'. I see no other reason for neglecting to follow up on mass psychogenic illness after dismissing what Robert Baloh, a leading neurologist, had said. Nicky Woolf: "A 2019 paper concluded “a wholly psychogenic cause is very unlikely.”"
'Nothing to see here, a paper has dismissed Baloh's ideas!'
More than coincidence? You bet!
One of those podcasts that really bug me, but a least it's short:
The worst thing about it is that these guys are supposed to be some kind of national security professionals, and yet they either don't seem to understand the report and the pressbriefing at all, or they have their own agenda and ignore what doesn't suit them. First of all: all the cases that have actually been explained - unambiguously!
They appear to be very much in love with the attack idea, but after the release of the ODNI report, they can't come out and say so openly, so instead they have decided that nothing has been explained at all. Since 'there are conflicting views', i.e. the report (Relman's from Feb 2022) that said microwave attack and then this new one, the one that they find it so hard to stomach:
He is talking about credible reports that interpreted the sound of crickets as a sonic attack.
The fundamental question would have been: What is happening. The why reveals that he is still thinking in terms of an actor, a perpetrator, with a purpose: Why would anyone do this to our good men and women serving their country?
He compares the two reports, the Relman group's Feb 2022 report, and the new, all-encompassing report as if they were somehow equal: 'Well, you know, one report says one thing, the other report says something else, so "it is very much a muddled answer," and we (!) just "haven't quite been able to figure it (!) out" ... lacking evidence, lacking resources', so "we just don't know the answer."
That is: They don't want to hear the answer!
The next guy agrees:
Yes, when he puts it like that, it does indeed seem unlikely, which is the reason why he puts it like that. Nobody other than Rubio and his fans have claimed that there is no basis for "it", that it's "random happenstance."
'Tis Madness, but there's method to't. The method just isn't the weapon and the adversarial perpetrator that he and Marco Rubio so desire!
The conclusion is pathetic:
It is clear that they can't handle the answer, which is why they pretend that isn't any.
One of those podcasts that really bug me, but a least it's short:
The worst thing about it is that these guys are supposed to be some kind of national security professionals, and yet they either don't seem to understand the report and the pressbriefing at all, or they have their own agenda and ignore what doesn't suit them. First of all: all the cases that have actually been explained - unambiguously!
They appear to be very much in love with the attack idea, but after the release of the ODNI report, they can't come out and say so openly, so instead they have decided that nothing has been explained at all. Since 'there are conflicting views', i.e. the report (Relman's from Feb 2022) that said microwave attack and then this new one, the one that they find it so hard to stomach:
He is talking about credible reports that interpreted the sound of crickets as a sonic attack.
The fundamental question would have been: What is happening. The why reveals that he is still thinking in terms of an actor, a perpetrator, with a purpose: Why would anyone do this to our good men and women serving their country?
He compares the two reports, the Relman group's Feb 2022 report, and the new, all-encompassing report as if they were somehow equal: 'Well, you know, one report says one thing, the other report says something else, so "it is very much a muddled answer," and we (!) just "haven't quite been able to figure it (!) out" ... lacking evidence, lacking resources', so "we just don't know the answer."
That is: They don't want to hear the answer!
The next guy agrees:
Yes, when he puts it like that, it does indeed seem unlikely, which is the reason why he puts it like that. Nobody other than Rubio and his fans have claimed that there is no basis for "it", that it's "random happenstance."
'Tis Madness, but there's method to't. The method just isn't the weapon and the adversarial perpetrator that he and Marco Rubio so desire!
The conclusion is pathetic:
It is clear that they can't handle the answer, which is why they pretend that isn't any.
I may have dismissed the idea too soon! There appears to be a lot of money to be made on the 'syndrome':
I may have been wrong about Entous:
I am not a neurologist, so I look forward to hearing two experts explain how exactly the 'syndrome' looks very real on brain scans. I hope that it will be accompanied by a video.
I had my brain scanned in 2019 and didn't ask to see the results. I wouldn't have known what to look for anyway. I was quite content when the neurologist told me that nothing was abnormal. (I forgot to ask him specifically if he couldn't at least find something that was a bit anomalous.)
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Science-Based Satire
In today's climate, would it be possible to write an article like this about the 'syndrome'?
Science-Based Satire: Florida Authorities Report First Case of Mosquito-Borne Fentanyl Overdose (Science-Based Medicine, Mar 17, 2023)
Why aren't reports about the Fentanyl-overdose scare accompanied by health authorities with grave faces assuring the public that the symptoms are real, that the suffering is real, and that they will do whatever they can to provide the victims with all the health care and therapy they need?
Or do they do that? Is it just something I've missed?
Is training like this being considered for AHI victims?
Can touch this: training to correct police officer beliefs about overdose from incidental contact with fentanyl (BioMedCentral, Nov 24, 2021)
In today's climate, would it be possible to write an article like this about the 'syndrome'?
Science-Based Satire: Florida Authorities Report First Case of Mosquito-Borne Fentanyl Overdose (Science-Based Medicine, Mar 17, 2023)
Why aren't reports about the Fentanyl-overdose scare accompanied by health authorities with grave faces assuring the public that the symptoms are real, that the suffering is real, and that they will do whatever they can to provide the victims with all the health care and therapy they need?
Or do they do that? Is it just something I've missed?
Is training like this being considered for AHI victims?
Can touch this: training to correct police officer beliefs about overdose from incidental contact with fentanyl (BioMedCentral, Nov 24, 2021)
Roger Ramjets
Philosopher
45% have heard of it, and 39% think it was probably or definitely a targeted attack by a foreign government. Whichever way you look at it that's not good. But opinions tend to mirror the news cycle. With so many 'undecided's it wouldn't take much to push public opinion one way or the other. So the question is - which 'side' will the news media take on this issue in the future?
Cuba probably doesn't take up much space in the minds of most Americans. And when you consider that many people only read headlines, the poll doesn't surprise me.
Skeptics and other geeks may find the 'syndrome' incredibly interesting: sci-fi weapons shooting invisible rays instead of bullets, people's brains being fried without them even noticing, at first, clandestine adversaries, perception of reality, people believing weird things. The story has more or less got it all. And for me, there was the Cuban connection on top of that.
But the majority of people won't be particularly interested in it.
By the way, I am not quite sure if the answers to many of the poll questions, for instance #2 and #3, include answers from the 55% who never heard about the 'syndrome'. Judging by some of Jimmy Kimmel's interviews with people in the street, many are willing to have opinions (often very specific opinions) about things they know absolutely nothing about - and couldn't know about because they never happened.
Skeptics and other geeks may find the 'syndrome' incredibly interesting: sci-fi weapons shooting invisible rays instead of bullets, people's brains being fried without them even noticing, at first, clandestine adversaries, perception of reality, people believing weird things. The story has more or less got it all. And for me, there was the Cuban connection on top of that.
But the majority of people won't be particularly interested in it.
By the way, I am not quite sure if the answers to many of the poll questions, for instance #2 and #3, include answers from the 55% who never heard about the 'syndrome'. Judging by some of Jimmy Kimmel's interviews with people in the street, many are willing to have opinions (often very specific opinions) about things they know absolutely nothing about - and couldn't know about because they never happened.
When I posted this on Mar 17, I thought it was a teaser for an upcoming episode, but it had already been released the day before:
I have listened to it. It's bloody awful. I was actually wrong about Entous. I will comment on it tomorrow.
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Spanberger quotes from the ODNI report:
In her answer, Avril Haynes, Intelligence Committee, stresses that ...
However, it is obvious that Spanberger doesn't want to hear that "most elements now have concluded that it's very unlikely that a foreign adversary is responsible". Instead, she makes it clear that she would like to see a reversal of ODNI's conclusion:
It is obvious that U.S. politicians (a majority?) aren't interested in any conclusion saying that there was no attack by a foreign adversary. To them, any report that doesn't say that Putin did it will remain an interim report even though the interim report was the one from Jan 20, 2022. To conclude that he didn't is "very much" not what they want and the question will remain "very much open" until somebody writes the report that they want, telling them that he did. And guys like James Giordano and David Relman are more than willing to give them that answer based on their "subset of priority cases."
CIA's Mr. Burns says approximately the same thing that Avril Haynes does, i.e. not quite what Spanberger wants to hear but without contradicting her, and stressing once again that the AHI sufferers are real people with real symptoms and real pain, which nobody has denied. But as always, it leaves both the AHI sufferers, the politicians and the general public thinking that real symptoms means that they must have been caused by real attacks.
Burns continues: "We will also continue to focus with our partners on research and development efforts (!) by our adversaries that could (!) focus on directed energy mechanisms as well," which is his mealy-mouthed way of saying the words they want to hear, i.e. our adversaries + directed energy mechanisms. He knows that what he is saying means that no adversary actually has such a 'mechanism', the imaginary weapon that Polymeropoulos and Spanberger want people to think that members of the U.S. intelligence agencies were attacked with. It just means that the CIA and others will continue to spy on any kind of weapon research and development in China, Iran and Russia. He also knows that his reference to the phantom weapon will make Spanberger know that he knows what she wants him to find and present to her.
The sound inside your head ... recorded on a cell phone
It will take a couple of posts for me to put down my thoughts about the podcast with Anderson & Entous:
My transcript of excerpts from the podcast. And my usual warning that my hearing is impaired. But I think that my transcripts are a lot better than, for instance, YouTube's AI transcripts, but here goes:
Shumita Bastu (SB) repeating what Adam Entous (AE) told her: "You have to know that Cuba was one of the most successful, most sophisticated intelligence forces in the world."
AE: ...The cubans, I like to think of them as sort of like the Israelis ... singularly focussed on this and incredibly efficient ... outpaced the KGB ... so good the CIA had to basically respect their trade craft.
John Lee Anderson (JLA) says that he was spied on by Cuban friends who reported on him.
AE: ... there would be feces under the handle of the door ...
AE (about Tony) finds one of his dress shirts crumpled in the corner of his bedroom soaked in urine, and it's a very pungent smell.
dann: Maybe it's just me, but, even if Patient Zero's anecdote is true, i.e. somebody smeared feces on the door handle and pissed on his shirt, and this somebody was a Cuban Dirección de Inteligencia agent, which I tend to doubt, and not a disgruntled neighbor('s cat), I don't think that it is a sign of sophistication, but maybe that's just me! What the anecdote is meant to say is that "one of the most successful, most successful intelligence forces in the world," is evil incarnate.
JLA: This is in the weeks following the death of Fidel Castro ... and the election of Donald Trump ... That's the context in which this syndrome begins to become something that's acknowledged ...
JLA: The sound isn't from without it's from within, It's inside your head. ... But you are feeling pain in every of your body ... and it's not until you move from where you are ... and it stops just like that, suddenly.
You can't remember why you walked from A to C ... and you seek medical advice.
dann: It really bugs me that Entous doesn't seem to remember what he said in another podcast about the sound that he now claims came from inside (not the house, but) head! Do you remember what he told us about Patient Zero (called Tony in this podcast) in another podcast? "And he records it and he actually brings the recording, this is around Christmas time, New Year's. He actually goes to a New Year's party at the embassy. And he brings the recording and plays it for some of his colleagues to see if that is also what they heard, right?!" (see post 1,741). Even Adam Entous, who doesn't seem to know much about acoustics and the Frey effect, ought to at least know that you can't record sounds "from within", sound that is "inside your head," which is what he now claims. He should at least listen to Mark Zaid telling him that the cricket tapes were recordings of crickets, nothing else. But Entous believes what he wants to believe, and the contradiction between his two statements doesn't seem to bother him at all! There is not even the slightest sign that he is aware of the cognitive dissonance inside his head!
So make up your mind, Entous! Do you want to go with the sonic weapon, which would be recordable (but unfortunately for the hypothesis, the sound turned out to be crickets)? Or do you claim that the sound was the Frey effect caused by a microwave attack (but unfortunately for that idea, Patient Zero couldn't have recorded the sound inside his head on a cell phone?
Make up your mind, Entous! You can't have both the cricket recordings and the Frey effect!
There can be only one!
It will take a couple of posts for me to put down my thoughts about the podcast with Anderson & Entous:
My transcript of excerpts from the podcast. And my usual warning that my hearing is impaired. But I think that my transcripts are a lot better than, for instance, YouTube's AI transcripts, but here goes:
Shumita Bastu (SB) repeating what Adam Entous (AE) told her: "You have to know that Cuba was one of the most successful, most sophisticated intelligence forces in the world."
AE: ...The cubans, I like to think of them as sort of like the Israelis ... singularly focussed on this and incredibly efficient ... outpaced the KGB ... so good the CIA had to basically respect their trade craft.
John Lee Anderson (JLA) says that he was spied on by Cuban friends who reported on him.
AE: ... there would be feces under the handle of the door ...
AE (about Tony) finds one of his dress shirts crumpled in the corner of his bedroom soaked in urine, and it's a very pungent smell.
dann: Maybe it's just me, but, even if Patient Zero's anecdote is true, i.e. somebody smeared feces on the door handle and pissed on his shirt, and this somebody was a Cuban Dirección de Inteligencia agent, which I tend to doubt, and not a disgruntled neighbor('s cat), I don't think that it is a sign of sophistication, but maybe that's just me! What the anecdote is meant to say is that "one of the most successful, most successful intelligence forces in the world," is evil incarnate.
JLA: This is in the weeks following the death of Fidel Castro ... and the election of Donald Trump ... That's the context in which this syndrome begins to become something that's acknowledged ...
JLA: The sound isn't from without it's from within, It's inside your head. ... But you are feeling pain in every of your body ... and it's not until you move from where you are ... and it stops just like that, suddenly.
You can't remember why you walked from A to C ... and you seek medical advice.
dann: It really bugs me that Entous doesn't seem to remember what he said in another podcast about the sound that he now claims came from inside (not the house, but) head! Do you remember what he told us about Patient Zero (called Tony in this podcast) in another podcast? "And he records it and he actually brings the recording, this is around Christmas time, New Year's. He actually goes to a New Year's party at the embassy. And he brings the recording and plays it for some of his colleagues to see if that is also what they heard, right?!" (see post 1,741). Even Adam Entous, who doesn't seem to know much about acoustics and the Frey effect, ought to at least know that you can't record sounds "from within", sound that is "inside your head," which is what he now claims. He should at least listen to Mark Zaid telling him that the cricket tapes were recordings of crickets, nothing else. But Entous believes what he wants to believe, and the contradiction between his two statements doesn't seem to bother him at all! There is not even the slightest sign that he is aware of the cognitive dissonance inside his head!
So make up your mind, Entous! Do you want to go with the sonic weapon, which would be recordable (but unfortunately for the hypothesis, the sound turned out to be crickets)? Or do you claim that the sound was the Frey effect caused by a microwave attack (but unfortunately for that idea, Patient Zero couldn't have recorded the sound inside his head on a cell phone?
Make up your mind, Entous! You can't have both the cricket recordings and the Frey effect!
There can be only one!
Anderson & Entous, continued
As I have repeated over and over: Everybody agrees that something did indeed happen to them. Nobody denies it. Something did indeed happen to them.
That is not where the disagreement begins.
I can see why Anderson and Entous might be afraid to offend somebody who is "one of the country's top, if not the top expert in the pathology of concussions" and thus cause him to react "very emotionally". We can't have that. But it is still possible to do a little research without telling the nellie doctor:
Jon Stone said something similar (see post 1,788).
What happened to Ragini Verma? The link in the NPR article says "Page Not Found." Is she one of the people who were removed from the investigation of the 'syndrome' when they dared question the 'attack'? Like Pamela Spratlen and CIA's Vienna station chief ...
I don't know, but she still seems to be a Professor in Diffusion & Connectomics In Precision Healthcare Research (DiCIPHR), Department of Radiology as well as a Professor of Neurosurgery at the University of Pennsylvania.
Have Entous & Anderson considered asking her about the apparent inconsistency between "really massive concussions" and "some subtle differences in the workers' brains"? Maybe they should! Maybe she wouldn't get "very offended" like "one of the country's top, if not the top expert in the pathology of concussions." Maybe she won't react "very emotionally". It's worth a try, ain't it?
And even if Anderson & Entous are scared of an emotional reaction, it should be safe for them to take a look at the study mentioned in the NPR article, shouldn't it?
There are also all the other skeptical brain scientists mentioned in the NPR article. Are Anderson and Entous also afraid that they may act "very emotionally"?
Will Sergio Della Sala and Douglas Fields have temper tantrums if A&E ask them about "psychogenic or some kind of mass hysteria"? I don't know. I haven't asked them myself, but I think it would be safe for two investigative journalists to at least try.
There is also neurologist Robert Baloh, author of the book about the 'syndrome' along with Robert Bartholomew. Baloh has been asked about the alleged "really massive brain concussions" several times, and he has remained cool and calm in all the interviews with him I have seen on YouTube, even when he is talking with Targeted Individuals:
So what are you waiting for, Jon Lee Anderson and Adam Entous?
Isn't asking questions a major part of what investigative journalists are supposed to do?
To be continued ...
As I have repeated over and over: Everybody agrees that something did indeed happen to them. Nobody denies it. Something did indeed happen to them.
That is not where the disagreement begins.
I can see why Anderson and Entous might be afraid to offend somebody who is "one of the country's top, if not the top expert in the pathology of concussions" and thus cause him to react "very emotionally". We can't have that. But it is still possible to do a little research without telling the nellie doctor:
Jon Stone said something similar (see post 1,788).
What happened to Ragini Verma? The link in the NPR article says "Page Not Found." Is she one of the people who were removed from the investigation of the 'syndrome' when they dared question the 'attack'? Like Pamela Spratlen and CIA's Vienna station chief ...
I don't know, but she still seems to be a Professor in Diffusion & Connectomics In Precision Healthcare Research (DiCIPHR), Department of Radiology as well as a Professor of Neurosurgery at the University of Pennsylvania.
Have Entous & Anderson considered asking her about the apparent inconsistency between "really massive concussions" and "some subtle differences in the workers' brains"? Maybe they should! Maybe she wouldn't get "very offended" like "one of the country's top, if not the top expert in the pathology of concussions." Maybe she won't react "very emotionally". It's worth a try, ain't it?
And even if Anderson & Entous are scared of an emotional reaction, it should be safe for them to take a look at the study mentioned in the NPR article, shouldn't it?
There are also all the other skeptical brain scientists mentioned in the NPR article. Are Anderson and Entous also afraid that they may act "very emotionally"?
Will Sergio Della Sala and Douglas Fields have temper tantrums if A&E ask them about "psychogenic or some kind of mass hysteria"? I don't know. I haven't asked them myself, but I think it would be safe for two investigative journalists to at least try.
There is also neurologist Robert Baloh, author of the book about the 'syndrome' along with Robert Bartholomew. Baloh has been asked about the alleged "really massive brain concussions" several times, and he has remained cool and calm in all the interviews with him I have seen on YouTube, even when he is talking with Targeted Individuals:
So what are you waiting for, Jon Lee Anderson and Adam Entous?
Isn't asking questions a major part of what investigative journalists are supposed to do?
To be continued ...
Anderson & Entous, continued
How many of the members of the U.S. embassies and other U.S. officials affected in Washington, Bogota, Hanoi, London, New Delhi, Vienna, Guangzhou and Moscow have or had symptoms that still haven't been explained?
There are indeed all these cases, but have Jon Lee Anderson and Adam Entous tried counting them? Their numbers seem to be swelling far beyond the roughly two dozen cases that are considered to be the kosher 'Havana Syndrome' cases, the ones that James Giordano and David Relman have claimed as theirs.
How many of the cases mentioned by Anderson & Entous in this quotation have already found other explanations, much more mundane explanations than directed energy attacks?
I get the impression that the vast majority of cases outside of Cuba have already been explained, but maybe A&E know something they are not telling us. Or is it possible that they are just listing all these cases without investigating them, without knowing if they are still consider to be caused by microwave attacks, only to make the 'syndrome' seem to be much more impressive than it actually is?
To be continued ...
How many of the members of the U.S. embassies and other U.S. officials affected in Washington, Bogota, Hanoi, London, New Delhi, Vienna, Guangzhou and Moscow have or had symptoms that still haven't been explained?
There are indeed all these cases, but have Jon Lee Anderson and Adam Entous tried counting them? Their numbers seem to be swelling far beyond the roughly two dozen cases that are considered to be the kosher 'Havana Syndrome' cases, the ones that James Giordano and David Relman have claimed as theirs.
How many of the cases mentioned by Anderson & Entous in this quotation have already found other explanations, much more mundane explanations than directed energy attacks?
I get the impression that the vast majority of cases outside of Cuba have already been explained, but maybe A&E know something they are not telling us. Or is it possible that they are just listing all these cases without investigating them, without knowing if they are still consider to be caused by microwave attacks, only to make the 'syndrome' seem to be much more impressive than it actually is?
To be continued ...
Anderson & Entous, continued: Of Army Dads and Toddlers Screaming Hysterically
Investigative journalists ought to know that hearing the victims telling something doesn't mean that they are right. What I would have liked to hear instead of A&E retelling their stories is some kind, any kind of documentation backing up what these people claim to have experienced: Were any mysterious rays detected at the time?
I don't think that you should "shrug these cases off." I assume that most of the people who experienced this did experience it, but instead of simply finding those cases compelling "where multiple people felt the same attack at the same place at the same time," I expect more from investigative reporting. For instance, what makes Adam Entous and Shumita Bastu think that what multiple people felt were attacks? What they actually felt was "this tremendous pressure" "in their heads" accompanied by "this ringing in their ear," which they interpreted to be an attack. I assume that they don't have a recording of the sound. Otherwise we would probably have heard about it.
But it never ceases to amaze me that it comes a surprise to all the fans of the attack conspiracy that you can often no longer hear a sound when you leave the place where you hear it. It is also not unusual that people's anxiety disappears once they get away from what they believe to be a serious threat. Let us also not forget that in 2019 everybody working for the U.S. government would have heard about the 'syndrome' symptoms and what was supposed to set them off and that more than one person can experience the same trigger and the same symptoms without being attacked or seriously ill. It sounds like a classic version of mass psychogenic illness:
Investigative journalists ought to know that hearing the victims telling something doesn't mean that they are right. What I would have liked to hear instead of A&E retelling their stories is some kind, any kind of documentation backing up what these people claim to have experienced: Were any mysterious rays detected at the time?
I don't think that you should "shrug these cases off." I assume that most of the people who experienced this did experience it, but instead of simply finding those cases compelling "where multiple people felt the same attack at the same place at the same time," I expect more from investigative reporting. For instance, what makes Adam Entous and Shumita Bastu think that what multiple people felt were attacks? What they actually felt was "this tremendous pressure" "in their heads" accompanied by "this ringing in their ear," which they interpreted to be an attack. I assume that they don't have a recording of the sound. Otherwise we would probably have heard about it.
But it never ceases to amaze me that it comes a surprise to all the fans of the attack conspiracy that you can often no longer hear a sound when you leave the place where you hear it. It is also not unusual that people's anxiety disappears once they get away from what they believe to be a serious threat. Let us also not forget that in 2019 everybody working for the U.S. government would have heard about the 'syndrome' symptoms and what was supposed to set them off and that more than one person can experience the same trigger and the same symptoms without being attacked or seriously ill. It sounds like a classic version of mass psychogenic illness:
Yes, that is indeed what you have! The other case "where multiple people felt the same attack" is another one of those stories we have heard several times before:
Now, I have also experienced screaming toddlers accompanied by pressure in the head and ringing in the ears. It has happened in cars, but also often on planes, where flight attendants prevented me from getting off the X, so I can't say if the pain would have stopped if I had succeeded. However, I suspect that it might have been the case even though I never thought that what I was experiencing was any kind of attack. Adam Entous finds the second case "very compelling, because, you know, again there's two people experiencing something." People tend to experience something all the time, but notice how Entous (and probably the army dad, too) also takes the liberty to interpret the toddler's experience along with the experience of grown-ups who were able to describe their own experiences: As "two cases that I find particularly convincing because they involve two people experiencing the same thing." How the **** does Entous know that army dad and toddler son experienced the same thing? Based on the description, I find it highly unlikely that they did. First of all because the father experienced a toddler screaming hysterically in the backseat. Why does anybody think that the toddler experienced the same thing? I don't know if the military officer was a first-time father, but I suspect that he was (no other children in the car, apparently), which may explain why he thinks that toddlers who suddenly scream hysterically and then suddenly stop again are something unusual. I can't say why this particular toddler in this situation, which we have now heard about so many times, starts screaming and why he stops, but I can offer a possible explanation for the latter: He stops because his father "guns it" and "pulls out of the intersection". Experienced parents know that a distraction is usually the best way to make a hysterically screaming toddler stop screaming, which adds to my assumption that army dad was a first-time father. I don't know about Adam Entous. To be continued ...
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For the sake of varity, news about Polymeropoulos:
In this case, common sense seems to be identical with cherry picking. Are we supposed to forget about places like Berlin, Bogota, London, New Delhi and Vienna? And American personnel in Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan reported as among ‘Havana Syndrome’ victims (IntelliNews, July 21, 2021). Are they anti-American in those two countries? (I have no idea!)
Only one week before the CIA interim report was released, Geneva and Paris were added to the list of countries with 'Havana Syndrome' outbreaks. And are we supposed to forget about the 'syndrome' victims in Washington, DC?
As for his "visual difficulties", I assume that he must be thinking of his oft-mentioned loss of long distance vision (see post 1,764).
Won't somebody tell him about bifocals?! I think he can get a discount if he promises to wear them on TV.
For the sake of varity, news about Polymeropoulos:
In this case, common sense seems to be identical with cherry picking. Are we supposed to forget about places like Berlin, Bogota, London, New Delhi and Vienna? And American personnel in Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan reported as among ‘Havana Syndrome’ victims (IntelliNews, July 21, 2021). Are they anti-American in those two countries? (I have no idea!)
Only one week before the CIA interim report was released, Geneva and Paris were added to the list of countries with 'Havana Syndrome' outbreaks. And are we supposed to forget about the 'syndrome' victims in Washington, DC?
As for his "visual difficulties", I assume that he must be thinking of his oft-mentioned loss of long distance vision (see post 1,764).
Won't somebody tell him about bifocals?! I think he can get a discount if he promises to wear them on TV.