dudalb
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They ARE Evil, if the word Evil has any meaning.
I find it disgusting that people are acting as apologists for a regime as barbaric,evil and insane as North Korea's is.
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US Citizen Otto Warmbier, returned from North Korea, has died
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They ARE Evil, if the word Evil has any meaning.
I find it disgusting that people are acting as apologists for a regime as barbaric,evil and insane as North Korea's is.
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Warmer's roommate speaks out
"Gratton said that in the four days they spent together, Warmbier never said anything about a banner and that he saw zero evidence that Warmbier was planning any such act — quite the opposite. The first Gratton heard of the alleged attempted theft was when it was mentioned in news reports weeks later. Gratton and Warmbier weren’t together 24 hours each day, but they traveled together during the day and hung out each night.
"'I’ve got nothing from my experiences with him that would suggest he would do something like that,' he said. 'At no stage did I ever think he was anything but a very, very polite kid.'" link
Link to blurry video of the alleged thievery. At this point I would say that there is no persuasive evidence that Mr. Warmbier actually stole anything.
"Gratton said that in the four days they spent together, Warmbier never said anything about a banner and that he saw zero evidence that Warmbier was planning any such act — quite the opposite. The first Gratton heard of the alleged attempted theft was when it was mentioned in news reports weeks later. Gratton and Warmbier weren’t together 24 hours each day, but they traveled together during the day and hung out each night.
"'I’ve got nothing from my experiences with him that would suggest he would do something like that,' he said. 'At no stage did I ever think he was anything but a very, very polite kid.'" link
Link to blurry video of the alleged thievery. At this point I would say that there is no persuasive evidence that Mr. Warmbier actually stole anything.
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I hate agreeing with Trump about anything, but I find no fault with his statements on this so far:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/otto-warmbier-dead-trump-response-statement-north-korea-imprisoned-student-death-latest-a7798281.html
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It was the Obama administration which tried to make the Warmbier family shut up about his imprisonment, and the Trump admin which pushed to get him released. And there were some lefty outlets who basically said he got what he deserved:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/la-sha/on-the-revocation-of-whit_b_9531122.html
"Yeah, I’m willing to bet my last dollar that he was aware of the political climate in that country, but privilege is a hell of a drug. The high of privilege told him that North Korea’s history of making examples out of American citizens who dare challenge their rigid legal system in any way was no match for his alabaster American privilege.
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I’m a black woman though. The hopeless fear Warmbier is now experiencing is my daily reality living in a country where white men like him are willfully oblivious to my suffering even as they are complicit in maintaining the power structures which ensure their supremacy at my expense."
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/02/thi...rea/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
“North Korea isn’t a playground for college pranks, Kim Jong-un isn’t a fictional character from a Seth Rogen movie, and Pyongyang isn’t some game you play with Coors Light and Solo cups,” Wilmore continued. “It’s just tough for me to have much sympathy for this guy and his crocodile tears.”
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If it makes you feel better, don't think of it as you agreeing with Trump, think about it as Trump agreeing with you.
Fly over, drop an HBomb or better on the ********!!!!!
Cain
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North Korea just murdered an American citizen. President Trump should not -- and will not -- let this stand. We must go to war ASAP.
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YES!!! Give them a 100-megaton lesson on truth, justice and the American way!!!
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The video looks convincing.
Not saying that justifies what happened. Poor kid was a pawn and I'm glad the parents are trying to get the word out that the tour companies lie about the safety of the trips.
Dying this soon after returning, I'm guessing the parents pulled the food/fluid plug and I don't blame them. He wouldn't have lived much longer even if they didn't.
When Britain was world Hegemon it did things like that too. BBC on the burning of the Summer Palace in Beijing, 1860.
In response, Lord Elgin ordered the British troops to burn down the entire Summer Palace complex.
The destruction, he wrote later, was intended "to mark, by a solemn act of retribution, the horror and indignation... with which we were inspired by the perpetration of a great crime".
He was worried about his reputation back in Britain, too. "What would the Times (newspaper) say of me," he reportedly told a French commander, "if I did not avenge its correspondent?"
Burning all the magnificent buildings took several days.
The destruction, he wrote later, was intended "to mark, by a solemn act of retribution, the horror and indignation... with which we were inspired by the perpetration of a great crime".
He was worried about his reputation back in Britain, too. "What would the Times (newspaper) say of me," he reportedly told a French commander, "if I did not avenge its correspondent?"
Burning all the magnificent buildings took several days.
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Be careful what you wish for. The Middle East is about to blow up and we have an idiot driving the bus.
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Do you have a link?
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NK has hundreds of artillery guns in range of Seoul. The guns are hidden in caves in mountains.
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CNN: According to the North Korean government, Warmbier was detained because he had stolen a political poster from a restricted floor in his hotel. The next time the world saw Warmbier he was distraught, breaking down in front of Korean journalists in a video North Korea released in February 2016.
He admitted to the crime and begged for forgiveness. He pleaded to be released. Instead, he was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor.
He admitted to the crime and begged for forgiveness. He pleaded to be released. Instead, he was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor.
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It seems fishy.
More from WaPo: "The first time Gratton saw any sign of trouble was when the pair were among the last to go through security at the Pyongyang International Airport in the early morning of Jan. 2, 2016. They were running late because the hotel had mysteriously and uncharacteristically missed their wake-up call."
From the NYT: "At a news conference last year, Mr. Warmbier acknowledged stealing the poster and said that he had done so because an acquaintance had offered to give him a used car worth $10,000 in exchange for it. “I made the worst mistake of my life,” Mr. Warmbier said. Whether the confession was genuine or coerced was not clear." Has this person ever come forward to verify Mr. Warmbier's account?
More from WaPo: "The first time Gratton saw any sign of trouble was when the pair were among the last to go through security at the Pyongyang International Airport in the early morning of Jan. 2, 2016. They were running late because the hotel had mysteriously and uncharacteristically missed their wake-up call."
From the NYT: "At a news conference last year, Mr. Warmbier acknowledged stealing the poster and said that he had done so because an acquaintance had offered to give him a used car worth $10,000 in exchange for it. “I made the worst mistake of my life,” Mr. Warmbier said. Whether the confession was genuine or coerced was not clear." Has this person ever come forward to verify Mr. Warmbier's account?
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So nothing like proof.
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Curiouser and curiouser
From Time Magazine: "A Young Pioneer representative will go through the process last, to make sure the group has gone through smoothly. Warmbier was the last of his group to check in, and thus there was only one non-Korean witness to what happened next: 24-year-old Briton Charlotte Guttridge. When she noticed that he was taking longer than usual, she began to walk over to him, only to be told by an insistent airport official that she had to pass through immigration immediately."
From Time Magazine: "A Young Pioneer representative will go through the process last, to make sure the group has gone through smoothly. Warmbier was the last of his group to check in, and thus there was only one non-Korean witness to what happened next: 24-year-old Briton Charlotte Guttridge. When she noticed that he was taking longer than usual, she began to walk over to him, only to be told by an insistent airport official that she had to pass through immigration immediately."
Congress seems to be inclined to ban travel to NK by U.S. citizens.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-winner:homepage/story&utm_term=.724139090ca9