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Upcoming parliamentary elections in Germany

And in this particular case, two parties - the Free Democrats and the Euro-skeptic "Alternative for Germany" - have about 4.8% each... so damn close.

As for myself, just seeing the faces of Brüderle and Rösler when the results came in is worth the effort of voting. Hopefully, four years on the peanut gallery is going to teach these guys humility.
 
No thanks. I do NOT unrepentant communists - who by the way regularly send warmest birthday greetings to Fidel Castro - to be part of federal government.
 
So we have more than 15% of the votes without representation in the parliament. And CDU/CSU apparently will need a coalition partner for the seat or two they seem to run short of the "absolute majority" with their 41.5% of 71.5% of people entitled to vote who went for it. And non of the candidates for such a coalition have less than 60 seats. Bizarre. Almost a textbook illustration of the undemocratic nature of the 5% rule.
As Chaos already mentioned, two parties just failed to get the 5% hurdle, so it is quite extraordinary. Normally, it's only about 5-6% of the votes which go to parties which don't make the 5% hurdle. Not that I'm in favour of it - I'd be in favour of no hurdle at all, i.e., not more than getting enough votes for a seat.

What's also interesting is the consequences of the new election law. After the last Bundestag election, the Bundesverfassungshof (Supreme Court) decided that the rule about the Überhangmandate (overhang seats - the direct mandates a party got to keep if they had more direct mandates in a state than seats they were entitled to) was unconstitutional, because it meant that your vote could have negative weight.

So the election law was changed: as compensation for the Überhangmandate, the other parties got Ausgleichsmandate (compensation seats). You can see the result here in the seat distribution. The 2009 election had an absolute record number of 24 Überhangmandate over the 598 normal number of seats. Now, there are only 5 Überhangmandate (column UM), but a whopping number of 27 Ausgleichsmandate. So the Bundestag is bigger than ever before. IIRC, there were proposals to amend the law which would result in far less compensation seats.

There's no coalition in sight. Funny how the pre$$titutes hardly dare to mention #rotrotgruen, isn't it?

Block parties, like I said.
Steinbrück said on election night that Red/Red/Green is no option for him. It'll take a couple of more federal elections before that becomes a real option for the SPD, I estimate.

Moreover, with the small majority that coalition would have - 319 out of 630 - you really only need a handful of defectors to turn the majority into a minority. In the sense of building a stable majority, the result is crap. The alternatives are either a very small majority, or such a big majority that there is no opposition to speak of.

In a sense, all parties have lost this election. FDP and AfD clearly by not getting 5%. The Left and the Greens by getting a lower result than last time, and lower than in the polls - especially the Greens who at times had hoped even on 15 or 20%. The CDU/CSU had the second-best result ever (they once had a majority, under Adenauer) but failed to get the majority, and the FDP isn't there to help them to that majority. Now Merkel is in the unenviable position ti have to build a coalition with either SPD or Greens, who can take the backseat and ask for policy compromises above their comparative weight in seats to agree to that coalition. And lastly, the SPD is in the position that it sort-of must agree to such a coalition in the end, being the other big party that has always stood for taking government responsibility, and fear being overshadowed in a coalition government by Merkel, and doing even worse in the next election.
 
Yeah, there's the great fear of "go with Merkel, drop dead". Poor Westerwelle. And you can see the Green "leaders" resign one after the other (something I profoundly enjoy, Chaos - pathetic, lukewarm, treasonous bunch :D), so if the remains agree to a coalition, they could well end up next time like the FDP did now. And there's already kind of a revolt in the SPD, including the mighty NRW-SPD, against going with Merkel again.

So it starts to look like #neuwahl in #neuland, which would almost certainly resurrect the FDP. Hey, if the Greeks can do it, why not we? Let's vote until the politicians are satisfied with the outcome... :rolleyes:;)
 
Well, Neuwahl didn't happen and four years later, the SPD had contemplated if they even come up with a candidate for chancellor. They did, and the clown they found will debate Mutti tonight. The FDP has been resurrected thoroughly and will certainly make it, as will the AfD which is a very different party from what it was four years ago and certainly wouldn't get my vote again even if they needed it. Other than that:

Is there anything new or interesting happening?

The AfD leader has been attacked on stage by some "antifascist" black block goons - he wasn't seriously hurt. That gave them a sympathy boost but they'll still have a hard time hitting the 5% hurdle. Yesterday Merkel met Steinbrück in a TV debate - 17,6 million watched, I had better things to do. Polls show a small "lead" for Steinbrück in "who won the debate", which doesn't matter as Steinbrück has only a theoretical chance of becoming Chancellor.

Other than that: nothing new. Mutti bleibt.
 
The AfD is now openly going Neo-Nazis, and apparently it works too. Its co-leader, Adolf Alexander Gauland, has said:
“If the French are rightly proud of their emperor and the Britons of Nelson and Churchill, we have the right to be proud of the achievements of the German soldiers in two world wars,”
(reference: Guardian)

Really, Führer Gauland? As to WW1, that's only a tiny step away from the stab-in-the-back legend. As to WW2, he's tried to distance himself from Nazi atrocities saying that he meant the Wehrmacht soldiers, not the SS. Of course he knows better, many studies, like Christopher Browning's on the 101st Police Batallion, have shown that "ordinary" police and soldiers have been complicit in Nazi atrocities.
“People no longer need to reproach us with these 12 years. They don’t relate to our identity nowadays,” Gauland said.
He's the one who brings them up, actually.

The scary thing is that in the polls, the AfD is rising and is now at 11%, with a good chance to become the third party, which gives them, e.g., the chairperson on the parliamentary budget committee.
 
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13,5% for AfD in the exit-poll, which traditionally has been fairly accurate, which will put them as the third party.

Interesting to note that Merkel can go for a Jamaica-coalition with the Greens and FDP, or a grand coalition with SDP, and in both cases end up with around 349 seats.
 
13,5% for AfD in the exit-poll, which traditionally has been fairly accurate, which will put them as the third party.

Interesting to note that Merkel can go for a Jamaica-coalition with the Greens and FDP, or a grand coalition with SDP, and in both cases end up with around 349 seats.

The AfD drew almost 2 million voters from the non-voting pool, and 1 million from Merkel's CxU. Almost as many from Die Linke (socialist Left) as from SPD (Merkel's social-democratic coalition partner until today).

Public-law TV network ARD showed an interesting statistic about a quarter hour ago: They had asked voters if they voted because they like the party they voted for, or dislike all the other partied. Result: Only the AfD was mostly (60%) voted for by people who do not positively like them - classical protest vote.

My best hope is that this result opens a valve: Now the AfD has to actually do opposition work in parliament; failure to do good work will lose them votes next time.

In the meantime, we'll probably get this somewhat strange "Jamaica" coalition (named after the colors of the JAM flag: black for the Christian Democratic Union, green for the Greens, yellow for the Free-Democratic liberal party). The Greens are traditionally centered on issues, with no clear leadership (leadership dues of male/female pairs), while the FDP has run a campaign 100% focused on the person of Christian Lindner - a populist guy. Again, this open valves: Both smaller parties will have to perform and get results to show off, or next time they'll lose votes.
 
Interesting to note that Merkel can go for a Jamaica-coalition with the Greens and FDP, or a grand coalition with SDP, and in both cases end up with around 349 seats.
Not sure what that term means. Can you please explain? :confused:
 
Not sure what that term means. Can you please explain? :confused:
See Oystein's post: a coalition between the CDU/CSU (party color: black), Greens (green) and FDP (yellow). Those colors make up the flag of Jamaica.

Likewise, when you exchange the CDU for the SPD (party color: red) you get a "traffic light coalition". But that combination does not have a majority at the time (it had after various previous elections).
 
Not sure what that term means. Can you please explain? :confused:


Oystein did explain it, it's a play on the colours associated with the parties: black for Merkel's Christian Union, Green for the Greens and Yellow for the Liberals. Like the colours of the flag of Jamaica. :JAMAICA:

Another coalition known by the colour code is the "Ampel", the traffic light. Red, Yellow, Green. This has, like Jamaica, never happened on federal level, and isn't possible now. What would be possible, and I have tried to half-jokingly introduce a hash tag on twitter, so you heard it here first, is the #RoteAmpel, the red traffic light. Which would be SPD, the Left (the additional dark red), Greens and Liberals. Looks like this could be working from the numbers, but of course it would be quite bizarre and the question is who should become Chancellor. I suggested, for a honorary success, this guy (too lazy to explain that now):

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At least Merkel is wrong (lying) again when she claims, which she does this evening, that no government can be formed against her.

Interestingly enough, the clown the SPD found to run against her now claims that there's no way the "Grand coalition", that has reigned for the last four years and now shrunk to barely above the size they need, far from grand, will continue. The SPD wants to be opposition now. But after all, he's a clown, and maybe some of the losers speculate for #Neuwahl, as it hardly can get any worse for them. Worst turnout in their post-Third Reich history. But it's the SPD after all so they will fall over and continue the coalition, I predict.

And the losses for Mutti Merkel are also remarkable, but not surprising for astute observers like me who predicted the Trump victory. Just yesterday I told my family that the AFD will get significantly more than projected, and it will come from what the CDU was projected to get.
 
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The AfD drew almost 2 million voters from the non-voting pool, and 1 million from Merkel's CxU. Almost as many from Die Linke (socialist Left) as from SPD (Merkel's social-democratic coalition partner until today).
According to the newest analysis from the ARD. the AfD only got around 750,000 new voters, and nearly half a million, indeed, from both SPD and Linke.

Public-law TV network ARD showed an interesting statistic about a quarter hour ago: They had asked voters if they voted because they like the party they voted for, or dislike all the other partied. Result: Only the AfD was mostly (60%) voted for by people who do not positively like them - classical protest vote.
That doesn't quite explain why those voters then vote for a fascist party. They could also vote for the Pirate Party, the Freie Wähler, or DIE PARTEI, or any of the other parties on the ballot.

The key lies, I think, in the second graph on this site: "do you agree with Merkel's refugee policiies?" and you see the striking difference between AfD voters and those of all other parties. Another graph that shows a marked difference is the fourth on this page: "Germany - cosmopolitan country or national borders?" It's very clear where the AfD's voters come from.

My best hope is that this result opens a valve: Now the AfD has to actually do opposition work in parliament; failure to do good work will lose them votes next time.
I truly hope so, but it's certainly not a given that bad opposition work means losing votes. In the Netherlands, Wilders has only been shouting and doing nothing of note, even published a one-page manifesto for the last elections, and still got 15%.

It's a sad day - thus far, Germany was the only Western European country without a large fascist party. (I don't like mincing words in this respect - all of these "populist" parties, from Wilders to UKIP to the French Front National have major fascist elements and thrive on hate of foreigners, immigrants and glorification of a mythical good old past).

In the meantime, we'll probably get this somewhat strange "Jamaica" coalition (named after the colors of the JAM flag: black for the Christian Democratic Union, green for the Greens, yellow for the Free-Democratic liberal party). The Greens are traditionally centered on issues, with no clear leadership (leadership dues of male/female pairs), while the FDP has run a campaign 100% focused on the person of Christian Lindner - a populist guy. Again, this open valves: Both smaller parties will have to perform and get results to show off, or next time they'll lose votes.
The graphs on this page, near the bottom, say that a Jamaica coalition is not very popular with the voters of either party, while both SPD and CDU voters do favour another grand coalition.

What do you mean with "open valves": neither the Greens nor the FDP have ever been shy of taking government responsibility, the FDP with both major parties and the Greens in coalition with the SPD under Schröder. The FDP, however, has had a much harder time in the last decade or so to distinguish itself from its preferred Union partner: in the previous elections, they dropped below 5% and didn't return in the Bundestag.
 

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