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Upcoming parliamentary elections in Germany

bonncaruso1

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The German national elections are coming up on Sunday, September 22, 2013.

I am a newbie here, so I cannot post links yet, but once that hurdle has been overcome, I will be updating and enhancing the OP greatly.

The first thing to understand about German elections is that it really is an indirect election for the Chancellor of the Republic, who currently is Angela Merkel (CDU). The election is for the membership in and control of their larger house of Parliament, called the "Bundestag".

The Germans have a fascinating way of looking at the idea of "absolute majority".

We all know that 1 vote above 50.00% is absolute majority, but the germans reckon with up to 3% of the vote that will go absolutely nowhere - which is usually called the "scatter vote" - votes for splinter parties that have no chance in the world of making it into the parliament to begin with, for to get even just one seat, your party must get 5.01% in the election.

So: 100 - 3 = 97
97 / 2 = 48.5, and so, to be safe, the Germans establish 48.6% to be absolute majority in their elections.

Whichever party, or whichever coalition of two or more parties, gets to or over 48.6% will not only have the majority of seats in the "Bundestag", they will also get to pick the Chancellor. Of course, the voters know all along exactly who will be sitting in the Chancellor's residence long before the election, this is no secret.

Currently, in Germany, there are five parties that are very likely to get over the 5% hurdle. Two of them are the big "Volksparteien" - big national parties:

CDU/CSU (Christian Democratic Union, to the left of our GOP)
SPD (Social Democratic Party) - quite to the left of our GOP and also to the left of our Democratic Party.

Those two parties each have a kind of little-brother party:

FDP (The Free Democrats, who call themselves the "Liberals", in the sense of neoliberalism, in line with or to the right of our GOP on some things, but to the Left on a number of social issues. The FPD is the most capitalistic-oriented party in Germany.

Die Grüne/Bündnis '90 (The Greens - way to the left)

And there is one more party, made up of the old socialists, mostly from the old East Germany:

Die Linke (the Left).

In 2005, Angela Merkel (CDU) beat Gerhard Schröder (SPD) but was unable to form a coalition with the little brother party FDP. The only combination that was able to get to an absolute majority was the so-called "grand coalition" of the two major parties: CDU and SPD. Since the larger of the two parties gets to put it's man in as Chancellor and the "smaller" party gets to put it's man in as Vice-Chancellor, this would be the equivalent to having had Barack Obama elected President in 2008, but Sarah Palin elected as Vice-President in 2008. Amazingly, the Grand-Coalition seemed to work pretty darned well.

In 2009, the expected coalition of CDU and FDP won the election.

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Nuts-and-Bolts of German electioneering:

In Germany, all citizens are automatically registered to vote. They then get a postcard about 3 weeks before the election reminding them of election day and the voting location to which they are assigned. Voting is uniform in Germany, I believe from 8 am to 6 pm. I will research this more. I know that the poll closing times are definitely 6 pm throughout the land.

At 6:01 pm, the results are displayed on the news and boom, it is over, unless of course, the vote is very close. In both 2002 and 2005 the vote was very close and it took a couple more hours to declare the winner.

Usually, a Chancellor's term is 4 years, but you will notice that there are only THREE years between 2002 and 2005. This is because then-Chancellor Gerhärd Schröder, sensing a massive landslide loss coming at him in 2006, pulled a slick parliamentary manuever called the "no-confidence" vote in parliament in July 2005, where he essentially ordered his own party to make a declaration that they no longer had confidence in his ability to lead as Chancellor. The vote went through with an absolute majority and as a result, per German law, national elections had to be called within, I believe, 90 days of the no-confidence vote. In this way, Schröder moved the national elections UP one year, hoping to ride a wave of disappointment in the USA and then-Presidend George W. Bush, Jr. and narrowly win the election - and it almost happened.

This is why what should have been a 2002-2006-2010-2014 election rhythm became a 2002-2005-2009-2013 rhythem, and so on.

There is much more information on German electoral politics to be shared an discussed. This is just the beginning and as soon as I am link-worthy (:)) then I will be linking to all sorts of cool things.

best,

bonncaruso1

questions? Fire away!!! :)
 
(FWIW I know a ton of Germans and they almost all never discuss politics)

I have never heard anyone describe the FDP (or any electable German party) as to the right of the GOP. I don't think you will hear much agreement on that. I believe that currently an issue for Merkel is that the FDP may fail to get 5% of the vote which would rule it out as a coalition partner for the CDU. Or even if it does pass 5% the Bundestag numbers may still not work. In which case the next likely outcome would be CDU-SPD as in 2005-09. Except that Peer Steinbrueck (SPD leader) has stated he is "not available" for this, so presumably has to find some way to climb down from that.

In any case, I tentatively expect (renewed) fireworks around the EMU debt crisis--which has been in abatement since a few months ago--after the federal election is over.
 
PS--I think Angela Merkel is the only chancellor who has successfully led two different coalitions through a full term. As such she is something of a role-model for non-ideological leadership.
 
I have never heard anyone describe the FDP (or any electable German party) as to the right of the GOP. I don't think you will hear much agreement on that. I believe that currently an issue for Merkel is that the FDP may fail to get 5% of the vote which would rule it out as a coalition partner for the CDU.
When the FDP doesn't make the 5% hurdle, the CDU certainly won't make it on their own and the chances for a Red/Green coalition (maybe even with tacit support of the Linke) will be the biggest. And the FDP is dangerously close to the 5% mark in the current polls. That likely means that the CDU will actively encourage their voters to vote FDP instead. They've done that before.

Or even if it does pass 5% the Bundestag numbers may still not work. In which case the next likely outcome would be CDU-SPD as in 2005-09. Except that Peer Steinbrueck (SPD leader) has stated he is "not available" for this, so presumably has to find some way to climb down from that.
Schröder was not in for that either in 2005, but there was simply no other choice.

BTW, welcome to the forum bonncaruso1! You haven't explained in your OP why a German has to cast two votes, or what Überhangmandate are. ;)
 
I have never heard anyone describe the FDP (or any electable German party) as to the right of the GOP.

On economic policies... they might be. It isn´t hard to be more fiscally conservative than the party of "starve the beast to death".

On social issues, they are way to the left of the Democrats... Guido Westerwelle is openly gay, for crying out loud!
 
I have a friend in German who keeps sending me guff about Alternative fur Deutschland. I must admit I can't be bothered wading through and translating it (my German is rusty) but from what I gather it's some sort of anti-EU mob. Lunatic fringe or just not in this election?
 
I have a friend in German who keeps sending me guff about Alternative fur Deutschland. I must admit I can't be bothered wading through and translating it (my German is rusty) but from what I gather it's some sort of anti-EU mob. Lunatic fringe or just not in this election?

Fringe, for sure, but not quite lunatic, I´d say.
 
Capitalising on the EMU sovereign bond mess I believe? Kind of similar to the M5S (Italy) and Syriza (Greece) tickets (but different policy recommendations since it is Germany)
 
(FWIW I know a ton of Germans and they almost all never discuss politics)

I have never heard anyone describe the FDP (or any electable German party) as to the right of the GOP. I don't think you will hear much agreement on that. I believe that currently an issue for Merkel is that the FDP may fail to get 5% of the vote which would rule it out as a coalition partner for the CDU. Or even if it does pass 5% the Bundestag numbers may still not work. In which case the next likely outcome would be CDU-SPD as in 2005-09. Except that Peer Steinbrueck (SPD leader) has stated he is "not available" for this, so presumably has to find some way to climb down from that.

In any case, I tentatively expect (renewed) fireworks around the EMU debt crisis--which has been in abatement since a few months ago--after the federal election is over.

Nice to hear from you! I myself am a US-American living in Germany, probably explains why I am willing to talk German politics!

Vis-a-vis FDP: in terms of fiscal issues, the FDP is every bit as Right at the GOP. But on social issues, quite to the Left.

The FDP will easily go over the 5% hurdle, probably at least 8%.
 
PS--I think Angela Merkel is the only chancellor who has successfully led two different coalitions through a full term. As such she is something of a role-model for non-ideological leadership.

The first one since the 1950s, that is for sure. The last grand coalition was in 1968. And there was one CDU administration where the CDU/CSU came over 50% all on its own and therefore no coalition was needed at all, but that lasted for only four years.
 
When the FDP doesn't make the 5% hurdle, the CDU certainly won't make it on their own and the chances for a Red/Green coalition (maybe even with tacit support of the Linke) will be the biggest. And the FDP is dangerously close to the 5% mark in the current polls. That likely means that the CDU will actively encourage their voters to vote FDP instead. They've done that before.


Schröder was not in for that either in 2005, but there was simply no other choice.

BTW, welcome to the forum bonncaruso1! You haven't explained in your OP why a German has to cast two votes, or what Überhangmandate are. ;)

Hey, great to hear from you. As I noted in the OP, it was just in the beginning phase, since I am a newbie, I will be adding these things to the OP in the next days, between work, kid and house renovation... :) Also, you can add Direktdmandat to that list...

And the Emnid values look very good for Merkel: CDU was just at 31% in 2005 - up to 40% right now, which means that on election day, if trends continue, CDU will probably hit 42%, their highest value since 1990, I believe... but I will check that.
 
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On economic policies... they might be. It isn´t hard to be more fiscally conservative than the party of "starve the beast to death".

On social issues, they are way to the left of the Democrats... Guido Westerwelle is openly gay, for crying out loud!


Yes, I have encountered Westerwelle on a number of occasions, I have sung concerts for him twice now. When he comes to ritzy parties, he comes with an entourange of about 15 young men, between 20-25, all with very, very big shoe sizes.. :)
 
I have a friend in German who keeps sending me guff about Alternative fur Deutschland. I must admit I can't be bothered wading through and translating it (my German is rusty) but from what I gather it's some sort of anti-EU mob. Lunatic fringe or just not in this election?

Fringe. Don't waste your energy on it.
 
Nice to hear from you! I myself am a US-American living in Germany, probably explains why I am willing to talk German politics!
Where in Germany if I may ask?

Vis-a-vis FDP: in terms of fiscal issues, the FDP is every bit as Right at the GOP
Which ones specifically?

The FDP will easily go over the 5% hurdle, probably at least 8%.
I thought polls were right around 5%. Do you have other info?
 
Where in Germany if I may ask?

Which ones specifically?

I thought polls were right around 5%. Do you have other info?

I live in Bonn, hence the username.

FDP tends to outperform in polling. It is at 6% right now, which means that 8% is likely on election day, if trends hold.

As for issues, in terms of Capitalism pure, FDP is just as far to the Right as the GOP. If they had their way, there would be no Governmental controls on anything fiscal, but they see health care different, since Germany has had single payer since the 1880s. On social issues (abortion, gay issues, religion), the FDP is decidedly to the Left of the GOP. Westerwelle himself is openly gay, which is pretty much a yawner in Germany - no one really cares at all.
 
Can you cite any specific policy preference of the FDP that is to the right of the US Republican Party? I really would like to know about one if it exists, which I still doubt.
 
The German national elections are coming up on Sunday, September 22, 2013.

I am a newbie here, so I cannot post links yet, but once that hurdle has been overcome, I will be updating and enhancing the OP greatly.

The first thing to understand about German elections is that it really is an indirect election for the Chancellor of the Republic, who currently is Angela Merkel (CDU). The election is for the membership in and control of their larger house of Parliament, called the "Bundestag".

The Germans have a fascinating way of looking at the idea of "absolute majority".

We all know that 1 vote above 50.00% is absolute majority, but the germans reckon with up to 3% of the vote that will go absolutely nowhere - which is usually called the "scatter vote" - votes for splinter parties that have no chance in the world of making it into the parliament to begin with, for to get even just one seat, your party must get 5.01% in the election.

So: 100 - 3 = 97
97 / 2 = 48.5, and so, to be safe, the Germans establish 48.6% to be absolute majority in their elections.

Whichever party, or whichever coalition of two or more parties, gets to or over 48.6% will not only have the majority of seats in the "Bundestag", they will also get to pick the Chancellor. Of course, the voters know all along exactly who will be sitting in the Chancellor's residence long before the election, this is no secret.

Currently, in Germany, there are five parties that are very likely to get over the 5% hurdle. Two of them are the big "Volksparteien" - big national parties:

CDU/CSU (Christian Democratic Union, to the left of our GOP)
SPD (Social Democratic Party) - quite to the left of our GOP and also to the left of our Democratic Party.

Those two parties each have a kind of little-brother party:

FDP (The Free Democrats, who call themselves the "Liberals", in the sense of neoliberalism, in line with or to the right of our GOP on some things, but to the Left on a number of social issues. The FPD is the most capitalistic-oriented party in Germany.

Die Grüne/Bündnis '90 (The Greens - way to the left)

And there is one more party, made up of the old socialists, mostly from the old East Germany:

Die Linke (the Left).

In 2005, Angela Merkel (CDU) beat Gerhard Schröder (SPD) but was unable to form a coalition with the little brother party FDP. The only combination that was able to get to an absolute majority was the so-called "grand coalition" of the two major parties: CDU and SPD. Since the larger of the two parties gets to put it's man in as Chancellor and the "smaller" party gets to put it's man in as Vice-Chancellor, this would be the equivalent to having had Barack Obama elected President in 2008, but Sarah Palin elected as Vice-President in 2008. Amazingly, the Grand-Coalition seemed to work pretty darned well.

In 2009, the expected coalition of CDU and FDP won the election.

------------------------------------------------------

Nuts-and-Bolts of German electioneering:

In Germany, all citizens are automatically registered to vote. They then get a postcard about 3 weeks before the election reminding them of election day and the voting location to which they are assigned. Voting is uniform in Germany, I believe from 8 am to 6 pm. I will research this more. I know that the poll closing times are definitely 6 pm throughout the land.

At 6:01 pm, the results are displayed on the news and boom, it is over, unless of course, the vote is very close. In both 2002 and 2005 the vote was very close and it took a couple more hours to declare the winner.

Usually, a Chancellor's term is 4 years, but you will notice that there are only THREE years between 2002 and 2005. This is because then-Chancellor Gerhärd Schröder, sensing a massive landslide loss coming at him in 2006, pulled a slick parliamentary manuever called the "no-confidence" vote in parliament in July 2005, where he essentially ordered his own party to make a declaration that they no longer had confidence in his ability to lead as Chancellor. The vote went through with an absolute majority and as a result, per German law, national elections had to be called within, I believe, 90 days of the no-confidence vote. In this way, Schröder moved the national elections UP one year, hoping to ride a wave of disappointment in the USA and then-Presidend George W. Bush, Jr. and narrowly win the election - and it almost happened.

This is why what should have been a 2002-2006-2010-2014 election rhythm became a 2002-2005-2009-2013 rhythem, and so on.

There is much more information on German electoral politics to be shared an discussed. This is just the beginning and as soon as I am link-worthy (:)) then I will be linking to all sorts of cool things.

best,

bonncaruso1

questions? Fire away!!! :)

What are the chances of the NDP making gains in the next election?
 

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