unifying gravity and electromagnetism

[Philosaur]

Z is entirely fictitious but extremely useful, like the Higgs Boson or Gilmore Girls.

 

[MattusMaximus]

Is it me, or has the science subforum been over-run by physics cranks lately?

 

[Verde]

I have formulated a theory that unifies gravity and electromagnetism.

It is this:
[snip funny stuff]

You forgot the obligatory (cough) my theory (cough)

Assume for the moment that I am correct.

OK, I did. What do I do in the next moment?

V.

 

[Philosaur]

Is it me, or has the science subforum been over-run by physics cranks lately?

You don't come off as a physics crank, so it's not you.

 

[ben m]

Is it me, or has the science subforum been over-run by physics cranks lately?

My hypothesis: we've just seen a wave of "no LHC discovery so far" headlines. A large population of previously-quiet cranks has decided it's time to make their big move.

 

[Complexity]

I imagine if we put this guy and Maartenn in the same room, we would get some mindblowing new theories.

It would sound like putting two furbies across eachother, though.

They'd probably reproduce.

Last thing we need is more woo.

 

[Complexity]

Sheesh guys, he's probably just some kid. When I saw the thread title I said to myself Hello, what's this? then quickly saw that the guy didn't know much physics. He needs a bit of friendly advice rather than all this pulling-the-legs-off-flies stuff. Here, I'll give him some.

He deserves no leeway or mercy. He lost the benefit of the doubt right out of the gate.

If he is simply an ignorant and rather nasty kid, let him learn now that his behavior won't be tolerated.

 

[catsmate]

Sheesh guys, he's probably just some kid. When I saw the thread title I said to myself Hello, what's this? then quickly saw that the guy didn't know much physics. He needs a bit of friendly advice rather than all this pulling-the-legs-off-flies stuff. Here, I'll give him some.

Is it me, or has the science subforum been over-run by physics cranks lately?

I assume that he is, as part of the recent influx of new members talking rubbish, a college fresher with delusions about his own knowledge and ability.

 

[ben m]

Sheesh guys, he's probably just some kid ... He needs a bit of friendly advice rather than all this pulling-the-legs-off-flies stuff.

I beg to differ. From his homepage:

About me

I am an allopathic doctor now researching on homeopathy.

Having heard the ‘weird’ principles of homeopathy I dwelled into this ‘mysterious world’ with lot of skepticism and little curiosity. Soon I realized that Homeopathy is not just a medical system that cures ailments but hidden deeply in this holy medicine are secrets of nature, universe and God!

Dr Srinivasa Rao Gonuguntla
Sri Krishna Hopsital
Narasaraopet
India 522601

Problem #1 is that he's not a kid.
Problem #2 is that I can find no evidence for the existence of a "Sri Krishna Hospital" in Narasaraopet.

 

[Tubbythin]

Problem #2 is that I can find no evidence for the existence of a "Sri Krishna Hospital" in Narasaraopet.

What about a Sri Krishna Hopsital?

 

[sol invictus]

Unifying gravity and electromagnetism was done ages ago (well, decades at least). There's no problem with it at all.

[latex]$S = \int \sqrt{g} \left( R - F_{\mu \nu}F^{\mu \nu}/4 + A_\mu J^\mu \right)$[/latex]

There, done.

 

[Loss Leader]

Unifying gravity and electromagnetism was done ages ago (well, decades at least). There's no problem with it at all.

[latex]$S = \int \sqrt{g} \left( R - F_{\mu \nu}F^{\mu \nu}/4 + A_\mu J^\mu \right)$[/latex]

There, done.

Does it work out to the right type of units? Mine works out to the right type of units.

 

[The Don]

According to quantum physics, particles pop in from nothing.
Hopefully an intelligent mind will pop in, out of the zero minds here.

Are you going to address the points raised or are you just going to continue to post random musings like this ?

 

[dafydd]

Are you going to address the points raised or are you just going to continue to post random musings like this ?

He does not have the knowledge of physics to answer the points raised,so he turns to insults. Typical crank behaviour.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I have formulated a theory that unifies gravity and electromagnetism.

It is this:

X = (6Y)Z

X is gravity, measured in whatever unit gravity is measured in.

Y is electromagnetic force measured in whatever unit electromagnetic force is measured in.

Z is a unit of gravity divided by a unit of electromagnetic force so that both sides of the equation are in the same type of units, whatever those happen to be.

Z is entirely fictitious but extremely useful, like the Higgs Boson or Gilmore Girls.


We can see that I am correct by engaging in the following thought experiment: Assume for the moment that I am correct.

I hope this clears everything up.

Z in your formula is what we call 'Skinner's Constant':

Skinner's ConstantThat quantity which, when multiplied by, divided by, added to, or subtracted from the answer you get, gives you the answer you should have gotten.

(From numerous sources)

Hans

 

[Dancing David]

I beg to differ. From his homepage:



Problem #1 is that he's not a kid.
Problem #2 is that I can find no evidence for the existence of a "Sri Krishna Hospital" in Narasaraopet.

Well, what you call a hospital and what they call a hospital may vary.

 

[drgsrinivas]

www.homeoscience.com

Please select your answers from the following options (not maths but common sense can help you for this)

There are four forces, yes. But scientists have managed to unify all except the gravity by some weird maths. They are still struggling with gravity.
I thought somebody from the crowd would have answered this question- now I guess they are as ignorant as you. I have to resort to the basic stuff despite the crowd posing with science mania.

I suppose you can’t recognise the face of your spouse and others without weird maths written on their face. You seem to have maths sense but no common sense like the rest. By the way, are you a robot who can only process digital info?

It may be too much for you but-
Any complex maths formula is ultimately built upon bits of simple reasoning.
Logic is the basis of all maths simple or complex, though maths does facilitate our reasoning in complex scenarios.
If numbers are superior to reasoning, a computer or robot must be a better creature than you all.

By the words ‘We’ and ‘Our’, I mean only intelligent humans. All people need not necessarily be part of this group.

Now I return to the twin flight experiment-

On time dilation, I quote from the book ‘The universe in a nutshell’ written by Stephen Hawking- (so resist from throwing your venomous comments on this bit, I will give you the chance later)

“This has been confirmed by a number of experiments, including one in which two accurate clocks were flown in opposite directions around the world and returned showing slightly different times”

“The clock in the aircraft flying toward the west records more time than its twin travelling in the opposite direction”

“The time for passengers in the aircraft flying toward the east is less than that for those in the aircraft flying toward the west”

Now you can start spitting the venom-

So the west bound aircraft records more time than the east bound one.

We can straight away discard the idea of constant speed of light using the same twin flight experiment. Imagine that a beam of light with velocity ‘C’ is shone towards the west. A west bound flight with a velocity ‘0.2C’ will measure the velocity of light as only ‘0.8C’ unless its time gets dilated (runs slower). Similarly the east bound flight with a velocity ‘0.2C’ will measure the speed of light as ‘1.2C’ unless its time runs faster. But we know that this was not the case from the above experiment.

I am surprised why the people didn’t throw their venom on my double slit explanation (the implications of which are not any less than the other).

I repeat the double slit explanation here to receive your venomous comments.

“An electron is apparently surrounded by a cloud of virtual particles that pop in and out of existence. Virtual particles are particle/ antiparticle pairs (electrons/ positrons) that get created from the ‘vacuum’ and disappear by annihilating each other.

If this picture is true, the created particle/ antiparticle pairs may not adhere to and behave with sanctity and it is possible that the original electron may get annihilated by one of the virtual positrons created ‘next’ to it. So the position of the ‘real electron’ keeps changing in the cloud and we may feel that its exact position is unpredictable. This unpredictability is more to do with our ignorance and not to be considered as a fundamental character of the particle.

So this electron cloud when shot, is likely to travel through both the slits simultaneously and how much of the cloud goes through each slit depends on the size of the cloud, the distance between the slits and the direction it is shot”

 

[Tubbythin]

Please select your answers from the following options (not maths but common sense can help you for this)

There are four forces, yes. But scientists have managed to unify all except the gravity by some weird maths. They are still struggling with gravity.
I thought somebody from the crowd would have answered this question- now I guess they are as ignorant as you. I have to resort to the basic stuff despite the crowd posing with science mania.

I suppose you can’t recognise the face of your spouse and others without weird maths written on their face. You seem to have maths sense but no common sense like the rest. By the way, are you a robot who can only process digital info?

It may be too much for you but-
Any complex maths formula is ultimately built upon bits of simple reasoning.
Logic is the basis of all maths simple or complex, though maths does facilitate our reasoning in complex scenarios.
If numbers are superior to reasoning, a computer or robot must be a better creature than you all.

By the words ‘We’ and ‘Our’, I mean only intelligent humans. All people need not necessarily be part of this group.

Who are you talking to?

Now I return to the twin flight experiment-

On time dilation, I quote from the book ‘The universe in a nutshell’ written by Stephen Hawking- (so resist from throwing your venomous comments on this bit, I will give you the chance later)

“This has been confirmed by a number of experiments, including one in which two accurate clocks were flown in opposite directions around the world and returned showing slightly different times”

“The clock in the aircraft flying toward the west records more time than its twin travelling in the opposite direction”

“The time for passengers in the aircraft flying toward the east is less than that for those in the aircraft flying toward the west”

Now you can start spitting the venom-

So the west bound aircraft records more time than the east bound one.

We can straight away discard the idea of constant speed of light using the same twin flight experiment. Imagine that a beam of light with velocity ‘C’ is shone towards the west. A west bound flight with a velocity ‘0.2C’ will measure the velocity of light as only ‘0.8C’ unless its time gets dilated (runs slower). Similarly the east bound flight with a velocity ‘0.2C’ will measure the speed of light as ‘1.2C’ unless its time runs faster. But we know that this was not the case from the above experiment.

We know this was not the case because it was a different experiment. Different experiments that measure different answers. All experiments that have measured the speed of light in vacuum (directly or indirectly) get the same speed, c.

I am surprised why the people didn’t throw their venom on my double slit explanation (the implications of which are not any less than the other).

I repeat the double slit explanation here to receive your venomous comments.

“An electron is apparently surrounded by a cloud of virtual particles that pop in and out of existence. Virtual particles are particle/ antiparticle pairs (electrons/ positrons) that get created from the ‘vacuum’ and disappear by annihilating each other.

If this picture is true, the created particle/ antiparticle pairs may not adhere to and behave with sanctity and it is possible that the original electron may get annihilated by one of the virtual positrons created ‘next’ to it. So the position of the ‘real electron’ keeps changing in the cloud and we may feel that its exact position is unpredictable. This unpredictability is more to do with our ignorance and not to be considered as a fundamental character of the particle.

So this electron cloud when shot, is likely to travel through both the slits simultaneously and how much of the cloud goes through each slit depends on the size of the cloud, the distance between the slits and the direction it is shot”

As I explained quite clearly before... Your suggestion is nonsense because the interference pattern still appears when only 1 electron is fired at a time. I didn't spit venom because that is not my modus operandi.

 

[drgsrinivas]

Like I said, nine minutes before you posted this, the interference pattern still appears when the electrons are fired one at a time. Therefore the pattern cannot possibly to do with electron-electron interference. You are simply wrong.

"So this electron cloud when shot, is likely to travel through both the slits simultaneously and how much of the cloud goes through each slit depends on the size of the cloud, the distance between the slits and the direction it is shot"

Interference pattern results even when the electrons are fired one after the other because it travels simultaneously through both the slits and where each electron lands depends on the postion of the electron in its cloud.

 

[drgsrinivas]

The main difficulty was how can an electron travel through both the slits simultaneously. If this can be explained, the interference problem will be solved automatically.