Understanding the Liberal Mindset

[ahhell]

It's audacious to make up a scale and then confidently put yourself on it.

Oh, this was directed at emily's cat, they were referring to a pretty well-known political scale. Sometimes called the political compass.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/ Sure it was made up but not by emily's cat.

Lots of nis to pick about this version and others I've seen. They usually lack nuance and, in this case, what does astrology have to do with anything? Given a choice I would answer most of the questions with "Yes, and/but..." or "No, and/but..."

https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/ Libertarians like this one, as you read the questions, you can figure out why, there's generally an obvious answer if you aren't an authoritarian.

I tend to be mildly libertarian and mildly to the right on economics.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

In a world of Billionaires, it's not hard to figure out where Up and Down is.
Even for the highly motivated

 

[The Great Zaganza]

That test is pretty stupid.
Of a One Party Rule means faster legislation - doesn't mean it's a good idea.

 

[ahhell]

Is this actually the first time you've heard of it or it's like? None=the=less, Emily's Cat did not make it up and that type of scale has been around for decades, and it certainly offers a valid criticism of the left right binary that most folks seem to use, or in some cases good evil scale.

Also, up down still has nothing to do with conservative v progressive. There are lots of progressive rich people and lots of conservative poor people. Lots of conservative minorities, etc.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I don't see the point of Labels, especially ones that are very coded for a specific Country and Political System.

 

[Emily's Cat]

My parameter for Progressive/Conservative is very simple: do you punch Up or Down?

Hmm... which do you think is which?

 

[Emily's Cat]

In a world of Billionaires, it's not hard to figure out where Up and Down is.
Even for the highly motivated

Sure sure, which is totally why lefties are busy punching up at the Soros' or Pritzker or other billionaires that back Dems. We totally see that all the time, every day here...

 

[Emily's Cat]

I don't see the point of Labels, especially ones that are very coded for a specific Country and Political System.

I'm pretty sure you see the point of labels quite well. You certainly don't seem leery of tossing them around to denigrate others when it suits you to do so.

 

[ahhell]

Nonsense.
It's very obvious to everyone who is Up and who is Down.
If you need to invoke a complicated CT why the person you and your mob is beating up is actually an End Boss, you kinda know you are just making excuses.

This a pretty common thing on the left, what amounts to a mild conspiracy theory, everybody the problem and often the solution but we aren't doing the obvious thing to fix it. Why?

I was assuming it meant "not right-wing".

I don't think that's a safe assumption.

 

[d4m10n]

In a world of Billionaires, it's not hard to figure out where Up and Down is.

Replace the oddly capitalized word with any other oppressor group, and you are at least halfway to understanding the progressive mindset.

"In a world run by men who oppress women, it's not hard to figure out where Up and Down is."

"In a world run by cishets who oppress queers, it's not hard to figure out where Up and Down is."

"In a world run by whites who oppress BIPOC, it's not hard to figure out where Up and Down is."

 

[The Great Zaganza]

You are mixing absolutes with relatives - which is why you are wrong.

 

[TragicMonkey]

You are mixing absolutes with relatives - which is why you are wrong.

I certainly don't like mixing with my relatives when they've got Absolut. They're a mess even when sober!

 

[plague311]

I certainly don't like mixing with my relatives when they've got Absolut. They're a mess even when sober!

It would take a lot of Absolut to even speak with my relatives.

 

[plague311]

You are mixing absolutes with relatives - which is why you are wrong.

It's kind of a weird attempt at a flex too. To say, "Yeah, when people oppress other people then you're going to see this" is kind of a "no ◊◊◊◊" kind of statement. Of course, when people are oppressing other people it will have similarities.

 

[d4m10n]

You are mixing absolutes with relatives - which is why you are wrong.

Your beef with billionaires is about the absolute number of zeroes in some particular currency rather than their relative wealth? Fascinating!

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Your beef with billionaires is about the absolute number of zeroes in some particular currency rather than their relative wealth? Fascinating!

You are just making things up now

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Billionaires are not a Gender, Race or sexual orientation.
They are the results of a failed socioeconomic policy that is dangerous for the stability of the economy, society and political order.
And they can be rehabilitated and reintegrated into Society once they no longer pose and outsized danger because of their unchecked power.

Everyone who cares about their country should have beef with billionaires.

 

[d4m10n]

Billionaires . . . can be rehabilitated and reintegrated into Society once they no longer pose and outsized danger because of their unchecked power.

It almost sounds like you are saying that the power of multimillionaires is held in check right up until they cross a specific threshold (presumably denominated in dollars) after which they begin to wield unchecked power.

 

[d4m10n]

Billionaires are not a Gender, Race or sexual orientation.

Thanks for this, I was confused.

 

[Emily's Cat]

It's kind of a weird attempt at a flex too. To say, "Yeah, when people oppress other people then you're going to see this" is kind of a "no ◊◊◊◊" kind of statement. Of course, when people are oppressing other people it will have similarities.

What do you consider to be “oppression”?