UK General Election

The Don said:
Yeah but if she does **** it up, then Jeremy Corbyn and his team will be leading the Brexit negotiations :(
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Part of me thinks Merkel and Macron want Corbyn more than May. The latter is too much of a headache, while they can just dust off what they did to Syriza and do that to the Labour Party.
 
After recent experience, I'm inclined to treat all polls with a great deal of wariness.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
God forbid we get Keir Starmer instead of the intellectual heavyweight David Davies eh?
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As I said before, the EU have dealt with a Corbyn-like government before in Greece, and they'll be even more ruthless in that regard. May would just be an unpleasant headache for them.
 
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NWO Sentryman said:
As I said before, the EU have dealt with a Corbyn-like government before in Greece, and they'll be even more ruthless in that regard. May would just be a headache for them.
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A headache in their ignorance and incompetence perhaps but that's not exactly a positive thing. I don't want a headache I want competent negotiators who can actually come to mutually beneficial agreements.

Right now I'd rather send in Kermit the Frog than David Davis frankly.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
A headache in their ignorance and incompetence perhaps but that's not exactly a positive thing. I don't want a headache I want competent negotiators who can actually come to mutually beneficial agreements.

Right now I'd rather send in Kermit the Frog than David Davis frankly.
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Agreed, but I was looking at it from the EU's perspective. Greece got their resident hat economist to prime a suicide vest and Schauble dared them to pull the trigger, only for the Greeks to back down and get their heads stomped again. May is going to be more unpleasant, while Corbyn is Syriza 2: Electric Boogaloo.
 
Latest numbers I'm seeing are Con 43% Lab 38% not sure where they are coming from but would certainly start to make things interesting.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Latest numbers I'm seeing are Con 43% Lab 38% not sure where they are coming from but would certainly start to make things interesting.
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And today Corbyn is making a speech saying terrorism is caused by British foreign policy. :eye-poppi




(OK, the speech will be more nuanced than that, but the tabloid headlines will not)
 
The Don said:
Yeah but if she does **** it up, then Jeremy Corbyn and his team will be leading the Brexit negotiations :(
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He would rip up the letter to Santa called a "strategy" and attempt to negotiate with, rather than bully a conglomerate of states six times the size and power of UK into submission.

This doesn't guarantee success, but it does make disastrous results less likely. He may be incompetent, but so is Theresa May and her team of clowns and assorted circus animals. EU will be less inclined to be hostile towards him because he hasn't given EU much cause to be hostile, unlike say the chief circus animal (B.Johnson). That can only improve the results of Brexit.

McHrozni
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Latest numbers I'm seeing are Con 43% Lab 38% not sure where they are coming from but would certainly start to make things interesting.
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The Wiki is phenomenal for this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017

That would be the first post-bombing poll by Yougov. It also shows LibDems up to 10%. The trend is clear and if Labour can maintain momentum until elections, Theresa May will be looking for a new job.

:crossfing

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
The Wiki is phenomenal for this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017

That would be the first post-bombing poll by Yougov. It also shows LibDems up to 10%. The trend is clear and if Labour can maintain momentum until elections, Theresa May will be looking for a new job.

:crossfing

McHrozni
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I'm dreading a Corbyn victory, because he won't change a damn thing. If anything, when brexit comes up he will be like Tsirpas and Syriza back in 2015, when they got absolutely STOMPED by the EU. Mark my words, Corbyn will make the UK into the second Greece. An ostensibly socialist government austeritying harder than even the Tories.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
I'm dreading a Corbyn victory, because he won't change a damn thing. If anything, when brexit comes up he will be like Tsirpas and Syriza back in 2015, when they got absolutely STOMPED by the EU. Mark my words, Corbyn will make the UK into the second Greece. An ostensibly socialist government austeritying harder than even the Tories.
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Perhaps, but in a slightly longer run the UK has greater problems than leftie vote buying and assorted problems. Destroying the relationship with EU for the sake of rightie vote buying would have much deeper and longer lasting consequences. Vote buying of any kind is bad, but in this case the worst damage Corybn can do is to spend loads of money on ultimately useless projects. That's bad, but still immeasurably better than what Theresa May is promising, becoming an unregulated tax heaven for Europe.

McHrozni
 
Worm said:
After recent experience, I'm inclined to treat all polls with a great deal of wariness.
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For the last few weeks I've been thinking that while Labour will still lose, it won't be the trouncing that's being predicted in some quarters. Just a gut feeling, but I suspect that while a lot of people seem keen to agree on how useless Corbyn is, on the day they'll still dislike the direction the Conservatives are taking more. A bit like 1992 in reverse.
 
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McHrozni said:
Perhaps, but in a slightly longer run the UK has greater problems than leftie vote buying and assorted problems. Destroying the relationship with EU for the sake of rightie vote buying would have much deeper and longer lasting consequences. Vote buying of any kind is bad, but in this case the worst damage Corybn can do is to spend loads of money on ultimately useless projects. That's bad, but still immeasurably better than what Theresa May is promising, becoming an unregulated tax heaven for Europe.

McHrozni
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And the eu will sink any hope of a Corbyn led British prosperity by literally telling trump "Britain's gone red!"
 
Klimax said:
That's some fantasy... No part of that short post has any relation to reality nor any probable future.
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Have you seen the events of the past 2 years? I mean, the EU would find it VERY easy to turn Trump against a Corbyn led UK. I'm not talking sanctions so much as giving Britain an unequal treaty. In essence getting ground between Brussels and Washington.

If you think Corbyn will deliver a better brexit, you're delusional.
 
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NWO Sentryman said:
Have you seen the events of the past 2 years? I mean, the EU would find it VERY easy to turn Trump against a Corbyn led UK. I'm not talking sanctions so much as giving Britain an unequal treaty. In essence getting ground between Brussels and Washington.

If you think Corbyn will deliver a better brexit, you're delusional.
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If you think any treaty with Trump or the EU is going to be in the UK's favour then you are delusional either under Corbyn or May. Trump will want to sell us lots and buy very little in line with his American protectionist stance and the EU will put some freedom of movement and ECJ oversight in any resulting deal.
 
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