UK General Election

[McHrozni]

So rather than toss around nonsense descriptors like 'hard left' and start comparing the current Labour party to Hungary in the 50s why not consider their actual policies?

Policies like these, you mean:

We will build a million new homes in five years, with at least half a million council homes, through our public investment strategy. We will end insecurity for private renters by introducing rent controls, secure tenancies and a charter of private tenants’ rights, and increase access to affordable home ownership.

Building new homes and price controls are right at the heart of how Hugo Chavez secured popular support.

Or these:

We will act to protect the future of our planet, with social justice at the heart of our environment policies

Using environmental protection to further social justice reeks of duplicity. If you're fighting for social justice say so, don't pretend you care for the environment in order to impose your brand of social justice.

Or these:

We will rebuild public services and expand democratic participation, put the public back into our economy, give people a real say in their local communities, and increase local and regional democracy.

This implies means worker management for enterprises (which worked 'splendidly' for Yugoslavia), or is devoid of all meaning.

I think my classification was quite accurate, thank you very much.

http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/pledges

Your argument makes as much sense as saying that the right have been discredited by Germany in the 30s and 40s.

Germany at the time is an all too common response as to why we shouldn't follow hard right policies.

McHrozni

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Just so you know, if you don't support May, you're a "saboteur":

 

[McHrozni]

The suppression of the Hungarian Revolution was in 1956, not 1953: and the invasion of Czechoslovakia took place in 1968, not 1967. Watch out or you might lose the last vestiges of your credibility.

Hungary was a typo, but Czechoslovakia was accurate. I wasn't speaking of the invasion, but of the start of the process to make the county more moderate, which ended in the 1968 occupation.

Did the Suez invasion and the Vietnam aggression of these same years remove the last vestiges of credibility from right conservatism?

Vietnam aggression was an imperialist war waged by the Communist North against the non-Communist South. How on Earth does that destroy the credibility of anyone other than Communism is beyond me. Suez invasion saw Egypt rescued from foreign powers by US Republican pressure, how does that discredit right conservatism is likewise.

McHrozni

 

[McHrozni]

Just so you know, if you don't support May, you're a "saboteur":

[qimg]https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/480/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2017/4/18/c64ce794-c331-430e-8059-f76d71441e76.jpg[/qimg]

Jesus. If this is true UK is making a very dark, Soviet turn. Is this accurate or a parody?

McHrozni

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Jesus. If this is true UK is making a very dark, Soviet turn. Is this accurate or a parody?

McHrozni

Oh it's true. And the Sun isn't much better today.

But hey it's the 'hard left' that are the problem.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Germany at the time is an all too common response as to why we shouldn't follow hard right policies.

McHrozni

And yet people continue to vote for it and nobody says that Theresa is destroying her party by moving it to the right or brands her a traitor or claims that right wing policies have been discredited for good and suggests that the Tories should move to the centre left.

 

[McHrozni]

Oh it's true. And the Sun isn't much better today.

But hey it's the 'hard left' that are the problem.

Many things are the problem. Hard left is one of them (see France) and so is retarded right-win media.

McHrozni

 

[McHrozni]

And yet people continue to vote for it and nobody says that Theresa is destroying her party by moving it to the right or brands her a traitor or claims that right wing policies have been discredited for good and suggests that the Tories should move to the centre left.

I did mention several times over that the Traitor should do just that. I believe LibDems are not very far from that either.

McHrozni

 

[MikeG]

Whose quoted sentences? Yours?......

No, yours. The fact that under the convention, if a measure isn't in a manifesto, the Lords are entitled to block its passage means that your first sentence "it doesn't hold water" (referring to my comment on the role of the Parliament Act) is patently wrong. As you point out, that refusal by the Lords can eventually be over-ruled by the Commons invoking the Parliament Act, but that has hardly ever happened.

 

[DreadNiK]

Jesus. If this is true UK is making a very dark, Soviet turn. Is this accurate or a parody?

McHrozni

the daily MASH is less of a parody than the mail...but yeah the numerous subhumans that read it probably agree

 

[MikeG]

Just so you know, if you don't support May, you're a "saboteur":....

..........according to the Daily Mail.

Sorry, but why would anyone take any notice of that snot-rag?

 

[Craig B]

Policies like these, you mean:

We will build a million new homes in five years, with at least half a million council homes, through our public investment strategy. We will end insecurity for private renters by introducing rent controls, secure tenancies and a charter of private tenants’ rights, and increase access to affordable home ownership.

Building new homes and price controls are right at the heart of how Hugo Chavez secured popular support ...

I think my classification was quite accurate, thank you very much.

So building more Council houses ... which the Tories were doing at the time of Suez by the way ... is hard-line socialism equivalent to the invasion of Czechoslovakia? I mean you're relaxed about "centrism", but building council houses is up there with slavery in the Gulag, isn't it?

 

[Darat]

..........according to the Daily Mail.

Sorry, but why would anyone take any notice of that snot-rag?

I often ask that question myself. It is a sad fact that many people do and apparently a disproportionate number of people in the demographic that are more likely to vote.

 

[Mid]

Jesus. If this is true UK is making a very dark, Soviet turn. Is this accurate or a parody?

McHrozni

I'm looking forward to the show trials that they'll be calling for when Brexit doesn't deliver the 'sun lit up lands' that it would without fifth column remain supporters sabotaging it

 

[DreadNiK]

people thought the USA had it bad with trump vs clinton - at least there was a real contest between two extremely different options...

I'm currently looking for work so until I find it potentially have some time on my hands, vaguely wondering whether I should pitch in with the local lib dems somehow...would be glorious to unseat Vulcan but it ain't going to happen.

just seen clegg is standing again. the gall of that man

 

[Craig B]

Hungary was a typo, but Czechoslovakia was accurate. I wasn't speaking of the invasion, but of the start of the process to make the county more moderate, which ended in the 1968 occupation.



Vietnam aggression was an imperialist war waged by the Communist North against the non-Communist South. How on Earth does that destroy the credibility of anyone other than Communism is beyond me. Suez invasion saw Egypt rescued from foreign powers by US Republican pressure, how does that discredit right conservatism is likewise.

McHrozni

You forgot to tell us that the UK and French imperialists who invaded Egypt were socialists. That would make sense of your argument. Were they?

 

[lionking]

the daily MASH is less of a parody than the mail...but yeah the numerous subhumans that read it probably agree

Big deal. The tabloid press, Murdoch in particular, has always opposed Labor in Australia. It hasn't stopped it from being elected roughly every second election. It's lazy and dishonest to blame the press for Labour's demise.

 

[MikeG]

That's a non-sequitur. Erdogan pushed the line before a divisive vote. May now also pushes the line before a vote.......

Jeez, it's almost like you're looking for an argument.

There is nothing new under the sun about a politician calling for national unity. Before, during or after anything at all is *********** irrelevant. Calls for national unity don't turn anyone into anything. May does not become Erdogan in any sane person's eyes because she seeks the end of national divisions. This is nothing more than a bland, empty platitude that every single leader in history has repeated at some stage or other. It is not some great conspiracy or first sign of a far right take over or whatever, it is simply hollow blather. Does my wife in her class of 8 year olds today become a right wing dictator if she says "come now children, let's settle down and all try to get along"?

Your ridiculous fetish for finding anything that May says to be Erdogan-esque is puerile.

 

[Information Analyst]

Apparently TM has said she won't take part in any TV debates for the election. Has she actually gone mental?

"Don't you think she looks tired...?"

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I did mention several times over that the Traitor should do just that. I believe LibDems are not very far from that either.

McHrozni

You suggested that Corbyn should move the Tories to the centre left???