UK - December 2019 General Election

[Lothian]

Which, if any, of the MPs that have changed parties (or left their original party to become independent) are likely to be re-elected? I know that some of them are not standing or are retiring. Are those that are standing, all standing in their existing constituencies?

I would be happy to see the lot of them lose their jobs. I don't think it should be legal to be elected on one party's manifesto and then abandon that party to become independent, or worse, change to a different party, without holding a mandatory by election.

In the UK you vote for a MP not a political party.
In this day and age people have their whip withdrawn for one vote against Brexit by someone who themselves votes along with his ERG colleagues 9 times against Brexit and the will of the people.^TM
I suspect the law you are suggesting would result in people not resigning but defying the party whip and the election manifesto like the ERG regularly did. You would then have to kick them out.

Are you suggesting that your law should apply to people kicked out of a party as well?

I don't recall these objections from you when MPs defected to UKIP but am happy for you to provide links showing otherwise.

 

[The Don]

Momentum are making it clear that they would rather retain ideological purity than prevent a Conservative government.

Laura Parker, national co-ordinator of Momentum, the grassroots organisation made up of Labour supporters, warned Labour supporters about voting tactically on 12 December.

It's Militant all over again and we know how well that served the Labour Party, and the country, for the best part of two decades

 

[ceptimus]

I don't recall these objections from you when MPs defected to UKIP but am happy for you to provide links showing otherwise.

The only MPs that ever did that DID stand for re-election, showing how they really were "honourable" compared to all the other scum MPs that wouldn't think of doing such a thing.

Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless were both re-elected as UKIP MPs at the by-elections they called, even though they weren't required by law to do so.

I don't expect you'll apologise for your error though.

 

[ceptimus]

Jo Swinson thinks that the people who support Scottish Independence are just the same as the narrow minded bigots who support UKIP and Brexit Party.

It is a fact that there are elements within the Scottish nationalist movement that are deeply racist, with a total hatred of the English. Most of them are not like that though - in the same way that most supporters of the Brexit party are not narrow minded bigots.

It's the Lib Dems themselves that are most bigoted. I find offensive their attitude that everyone who doesn't support their loony left-wing ideals must be irrational, racist or uncaring.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

It is a fact that there are elements within the Scottish nationalist movement that are deeply racist,with a total hatred of the English

Is it? Within the SNP?

Most of them are not like that though - in the same way that most supporters of the Brexit party are not narrow minded bigots.

Yeah, er.. no.

It's the Lib Dems themselves that are most bigoted. I find offensive their attitude that everyone who doesn't support their loony left-wing ideals must be irrational, racist or uncaring.

The Lib Dems are centre-right. Do you actually follow politics or watch the news or understand anything at all?

 

[Lothian]

The only MPs that ever did that DID stand for re-election, showing how they really were "honourable" compared to all the other scum MPs that wouldn't think of doing such a thing.

Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless were both re-elected as UKIP MPs at the by-elections they called, even though they weren't required by law to do so.

I don't expect you'll apologise for your error though.

You are quite right my bad. I was confusing them with the 14 UKIP MEPs who joined the Brexit party after being elected.

Also with the 4 UKIP Welsh Assembly members who left UKIP and joined the brexit party, one of whom was Mark Reckless.

Do you think these Brexit party members are scum or do you reserve such descriptions for those you disagree with?

Also you think scum is appropriate terminology. I appreciate that many on your side use it. Wasn't something similar shouted by the murderer of Jo Cox?

I would hope we could debate without dehumanising people we disagree with.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Momentum are making it clear that they would rather retain ideological purity than prevent a Conservative government.



It's Militant all over again and we know how well that served the Labour Party, and the country, for the best part of two decades

If they don't want tactical voting that will be an improvement on the last election where Labour were telling Scottish voters to vote Tory to get the SNP out.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1189543862781513729

Big surge in 18-34-year-olds registering to vote in the last 24 hours

Image embedded in tweet.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Largest party for sure, but I wouldn't bet heavily on their getting an overall majority. Current bookies' odds are 1.83 overall Con majority, 2.0 no overall majority.

All betting odds tell you is firstly how bookies think people will bet, and then how people are betting.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

I don't think that the Brexit Party will go hard at it.

Successful tactical voting could be a possibility - though IMO a remote one.

OTOH there are people like me who cannot vote Labour until Labour change their Brexit policy.

If you're against Brexit, then the only thing to do is to vote for whoever in your constituency is the Conservative candidate's biggest competition. Tactical voting is the only way that preventing Brexit is at all possible.

In most constituencies that means voting for Labour, regardless of what you think about anything else about them.

 

[The Don]

If you're against Brexit, then the only thing to do is to vote for whoever in your constituency is the Conservative candidate's biggest competition. Tactical voting is the only way that preventing Brexit is at all possible.

In most constituencies that means voting for Labour, regardless of what you think about anything else about them.

Except that Labour is pro-Brexit. I have no confidence that Corbyn won't renege on the second referendum.

 

[GlennB]

All betting odds tell you is firstly how bookies think people will bet, and then how people are betting.

Yes, but they take good advice from informed sources before setting the odds in the first place, otherwise they might get stuffed in the first wave of betting.

 

[Mongrel]

Except that Labour is pro-Brexit. I have no confidence that Corbyn won't renege on the second referendum.

Personally I'd take 'May well renege' against 'Guaranteed to go for Brexit no matter what'.

 

[dudalb]

It is a fact that there are elements within the Scottish nationalist movement that are deeply racist, with a total hatred of the English. Most of them are not like that though - in the same way that most supporters of the Brexit party are not narrow minded bigots.

It's the Lib Dems themselves that are most bigoted. I find offensive their attitude that everyone who doesn't support their loony left-wing ideals must be irrational, racist or uncaring.

My irony meter just blew up with this coming from a fanatic Brexit supporter....

 

[dudalb]

If they don't want tactical voting that will be an improvement on the last election where Labour were telling Scottish voters to vote Tory to get the SNP out.

You can throw away your vote in a brave Anti Establishment way, or actually vote in a way that might accomplish something.

 

[dudalb]

Momentum are making it clear that they would rather retain ideological purity than prevent a Conservative government.



It's Militant all over again and we know how well that served the Labour Party, and the country, for the best part of two decades

Fanantics never learn, do they?

 

[dudalb]

If it does not turn out well for Labor, then maybe, finally, they will see that Corbyn is a horrid leader for Labor.

 

[ceptimus]

You are quite right my bad. I was confusing them with the 14 UKIP MEPs who joined the Brexit party after being elected.

Also with the 4 UKIP Welsh Assembly members who left UKIP and joined the brexit party, one of whom was Mark Reckless.

Do you think these Brexit party members are scum or do you reserve such descriptions for those you disagree with?

Also you think scum is appropriate terminology. I appreciate that many on your side use it. Wasn't something similar shouted by the murderer of Jo Cox?

I would hope we could debate without dehumanising people we disagree with.

It's the latest left wing plot - an attempt to stop people using the English language. Words like 'scum' exist because they're good descriptive useful words. There are many MPs right now that richly deserve the epithet. I live in hope that many of them will lose their privileged positions and well paid jobs in the forthcoming election.

 

[ceptimus]

My irony meter just blew up with this coming from a fanatic Brexit supporter....

It's a shame you can't read whole posts before knee-jerk reacting. I feel sorry for you.

 

[ceptimus]

The Lib Dems are centre-right. Do you actually follow politics or watch the news or understand anything at all?

What a moronic thing to say. I have a greater understanding of politics than most other posters here - certainly greater than you.