UK - December 2019 General Election

[Rolfe]

It is a fact that there are elements within the Scottish nationalist movement that are deeply racist, with a total hatred of the English.

You can just stop that right now, even with the mealy-mouthed "but most of them aren't like that" bit tacked on.

It's a complete and utter fabricated smear. It's not true, it never was true and hopefully it will never be true. If you want racist, try looking a bit further south.

 

[Dave Rogers]

What a moronic thing to say. I have a greater understanding of politics than most other posters here - certainly greater than you.

Appealing to your own (unsubstantiated) authority always goes down well on a skeptics' discussion forum. I would submit, though, that the belief that the LibDems are loony left-wing idealists somewhat undermines this appeal, while casting into doubt all your other political opinions.

Dave

 

[dudalb]

Shame 16 year olds and EU nationals will not be voting after all.

Uh, why should people who are NOT UK citizens be allowed to vote in a UK election?

 

[Lothian]

It's the latest left wing plot - an attempt to stop people using the English language. Words like 'scum' exist because they're good descriptive useful words. There are many MPs right now that richly deserve the epithet. I live in hope that many of them will lose their privileged positions and well paid jobs in the forthcoming election.

And if hate speech inspires patriots to take the lives of these vermin in the name of the master race it will be for the greater good of the fatherland.
Heil Boris.

 

[Lothian]

It's the latest left wing plot - an attempt to stop people using the English language. Words like 'scum' exist because they're good descriptive useful words. There are many MPs right now that richly deserve the epithet. I live in hope that many of them will lose their privileged positions and well paid jobs in the forthcoming election.

You haven't answered the question as to how you would describe Mark Reckless and the other representatives who switched to the Brexit party without standing down.. I am just trying to work out whether you are intellectually consistent or whether you only regurgitate extremist right wing hate speech

 

[Norman Alexander]

Free Tommy Robinson!


...in every packet.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

You can throw away your vote in a brave Anti Establishment way, or actually vote in a way that might accomplish something.

No I can't. I have no way to do the latter in this current system. As I explained.

 

[Lothian]

Uh, why should people who are NOT UK citizens be allowed to vote in a UK election?

Why should people who have lived here for 18 years get a vote whereas people who gave lived here paying taxes contributing to society for 30 yesrs should not?

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

What a moronic thing to say. I have a greater understanding of politics than most other posters here - certainly greater than you.

Evidence?

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Uh, why should people who are NOT UK citizens be allowed to vote in a UK election?

Because they live in the UK and the decisions made will affect them as. much if not more than UK citizens. No taxation without representation and all that good stuff.

Why should a vote be limited to citizens?

 

[lionking]

Like Australia, whoever gets in, the country loses. If I was a voter there I would vote Green, just as I will here. Sure a wasted vote, but a clearer conscience.

 

[Lothian]

Like Australia, whoever gets in, the country loses. If I was a voter there I would vote Green, just as I will here. Sure a wasted vote, but a clearer conscience.

The greens are ok on some issues. Bonkers on others.

 

[lionking]

The greens are ok on some issues. Bonkers on others.

Agreed, which makes my decision, as a lifetime Labor voter, significant. I’m prepared to put up with their bonkers policies just to see serious action on the climate. Yes, I won’t see this soon, but some day....

 

[Darat]

I'm sure there are plenty of lessons that could be learned from Scotland, where Free Personal Care has been in place for a number of years. I'm no longer directly involved, and I haven't read any analysis on the situation for a while, but my recollection from when I was working there was that it was a fine principle, and had a very direct impact on a lot of people, but that the long-term future was unsustainable with an aging population and raised expectations. Some sort of means-tested process is, I think, almost inevitable, though it can be something of a nightmare to administrate.

Long term I agree, but we need in most parts of the country to get care to a good standard for the poorest, then we can tweak it.

 

[Darat]

My vote never makes any difference (except in referendums) - I live in one of the safest seats in the country. None of the parties ever put any effort into campaigning in this constituency - they all know the result is a foregone conclusion.

Sadly it's the same for me. However the current independent MP is Dominic Grieves and despite what a noisy anti-grieves would have one believe he's personally very popular.

 

[Darat]

It is a fact that there are elements within the Scottish nationalist movement that are deeply racist, with a total hatred of the English. Most of them are not like that though - in the same way that most supporters of the Brexit party are not narrow minded bigots.

It's the Lib Dems themselves that are most bigoted. I find offensive their attitude that everyone who doesn't support their loony left-wing ideals must be irrational, racist or uncaring.

Er the LibDems aren't lefties...

 

[Darat]

And if hate speech inspires patriots to take the lives of these vermin in the name of the master race it will be for the greater good of the fatherland.

Heil Boris.

It's not an if, it already happened.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Except that Labour is pro-Brexit. I have no confidence that Corbyn won't renege on the second referendum.

It doesn't matter whether you have confidence he won't renege, you can have confidence that Boris won't. And, at the very least, you should be able to have confidence that Corbyn will want to negotiate a softer Brexit than either of the last two prime ministers.

You should also bear in mind that Labour almost certainly won't get a majority, meaning that Corbyn won't be able to force anything through. The third-largest party, who he will most likely have to form a coalition with to become PM (assuming no Tory majority), will most likely be the Lib Dems and their position is to revoke Article 50 all together. Likely other remain parties, as well. So if Labour's position moves, then it should be slightly more towards "remain" than towards "leave".

The point is that it seems somewhat silly to hold the position that you don't trust Labour to cancel Brexit, so you'll happily hand the election to the Tories who definitely won't. If you honestly think that Brexit will be bad for the UK, then you should vote tactically to get the Tories out. The Tories not having a majority is the only possible way for Brexit not to happen, and if it does happen for it not to be the most harmful Brexit possible.

My entire life I've voted for whichever parties policies most closely match my own opinions. Not this time, because there's a unique catastrophe in our near future and the only way to prevent it (not to mention all the other horrors this very right-wing government would foist on us) is to get the Tories out of power. And the only way to do that is for everybody to vote tactically.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Like Australia, whoever gets in, the country loses. If I was a voter there I would vote Green, just as I will here. Sure a wasted vote, but a clearer conscience.

I'm thinking maybe everyone who lives in a safe seat should maybe vote Green to drive up their share of the vote. It might highlight the failures of the system if they ended up on 5% of the vote and only got 1 (or even no) MP.

 

[Nessie]

It is a fact that there are elements within the Scottish nationalist movement that are deeply racist, with a total hatred of the English. ...

IME that is not true. I come from an English family, but was born and live in Scotland. I have experienced regular anti-English comments (I also get anti-Scottish comments when back in England).

Family friends are SNP activists, the father is a former president of the SNP. A friend lives next door to a senior member of the SNP. I have been to plenty of gatherings with many SNP there and I have never experienced anything from those who are in the party, senior or volunteers.

They make it clear, they do not dislike the English, they dislike Westminster. Big difference.

All of the actual anti-English comments have been from random people, drunks in pubs, work colleagues.