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UK - December 2019 General Election

As I expected, the Conservatives and Brexit Party are getting closer.

As has been discussed earlier in this thread, the Brexit Party are in effect in an electoral pact, Brexit Party candidates will not run in Conservative held constituencies.

Now the Brexit Party has changed its position on Brexit:

Until a few weeks ago its leader, Nigel Farage was saying a no-deal Brexit was the "only acceptable deal".

But this "contract" moves the goalposts.

Gone is the criticism of Boris Johnson's withdrawal agreement - now the party simply promises there will be "no extended transition period" after Brexit.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50511014
 
The Don said:
Different EU countries have different rules. Which country or countries are you describing ?



If 5% of people end up paying, it sounds like the other 95% should be pretty happy. I think if I was a left-wing party trying to attract support I'd construct policies aimed at the 95% of have-nots rather than the elite 5% who, eccentrics aside, would likely not be my target.

Of course Brexit was founded on the politics of envy, just directed at a different group. ;)



Again, a tiny proportion of the population - the noise of which is greatly amplified by the right wing press.



I agree, which is why it absolutely should not be a huge government-led technology infrastructure project because, like all of the other ones, they'll **** it up and spend a fortune
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Finland, so probably also Sweden.

ETA: Looks like Sweden abolished their inheritance tax in 2004 due to it being only worth 1% of revenues.

In Finland it is as follows:

Finland: perintövero (Finnish) or arvsskatt (Swedish) (Inheritance tax) is a state tax. Inheritance to the close family is tax free up to the worth of 20 000 €, and increasing from there via several steps (for instance, being 13% for 60 000 € - 200 000 €) to the maximum of 19% that must be paid for the portion of the inheritance that exceeds one million euros. Taxation is more severe in case of remote relatives or those with no family connection at all (19-33%).[4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inheritance_tax
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The Don said:
As I expected, the Conservatives and Brexit Party are getting closer.

As has been discussed earlier in this thread, the Brexit Party are in effect in an electoral pact, Brexit Party candidates will not run in Conservative held constituencies.

Now the Brexit Party has changed its position on Brexit
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Nigel just wants the gravy train to keep on chugging down the track.
 
Another Tory lie:

The claim: Boris Johnson unexpectedly unveiled the Conservatives' plan to raise the threshold at which people start paying National Insurance contributions. He said: "If we're lucky enough to be elected, so the first Budget we will go up to the £9,500 threshold and that will, as I say, put £500 into the pockets of everybody."

Reality Check verdict: That's not the correct figure. The Conservatives' own press release says the benefit from raising the threshold to £9,500 in 2020-21 would be £100 per year. The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) says it would be £85 per year.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50496609
 
P.J. Denyer said:
More disinformation from the Torys



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-fake-labour-manifesto-website-fact-check-general-election-a9212076.html
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Acting indignant isn't going to cut it. If they are fighting dirty and are unwilling to change, then fight dirty back until they sue for peace. I'm not talking about copying their methods but more generally, like that billboard that said something like "Tory cuts to the NHS has caused an excess of X deaths over the last X years. It's time to even the score". That's the kind of rhetoric that's going to give Tory politicians many sleepless nights.
 
As a follow-up to the Tories changing their Twitter handle to pretend being a fact checking organisation, to no ill effect, it turns out that Ralf Little (actor in the Royle Family) had his Twitter account suspended after changing his handle to "Conservative Party Press Orifice".

Also, that Question Time couldn't have gone much worse for Jo Swinson had she tried. But then again, judging by some of the questions she got, it does rather feel like Momentum had gotten some of their members in the audience.
 
KDLarsen said:
But then again, judging by some of the questions she got, it does rather feel like Momentum had gotten some of their members in the audience.
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It would at least make a change from having an entire Conservative Association lined up in a row.
 
There was one guy there who is a Conservative activist and who has been on QT and been picked to ask a question at least four times.
 
It was ridiculous that Nicola Sturgeon was on last night. The point of the show was to inform the British public on who to vote for.
Parties by seats contested are

Tories 635
Labour 631
Lib 611
Green 495
Brexit 275
SNP 59

This is about the next UK parliament, it was wrong imo to have someone who is representating a party contesting under 10% of seats. If you do want to include small regional parties increase the number of guests. Otherwise give the 4th podium to the greens.
 
Corbyn says he is proud that the UK parliament declared a climate emergency, but “declaring it is not the same as doing something about it”. He says that it is important to get to net-zero emissions as quickly as possible.

He adds that the job opportunities created in bringing emissions down are huge.*Labour*calculates 300,000 green energy jobs will be created.
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You know what I hate? People who argue that cutting greenhouse gas emissions is somehow a job creation opportunity and is going to drive economic growth. They give people the false impression that there's little to no cost (at least in the short term) to cutting emissions, when in reality the typical workers and labourers are likely to be made redundant because the industry they work in just releases too much emissions.

When is going to talk about how he's going to make sure steelworks and cement plants are closed and remain closed? People can also forget about ever mining any coal.

People like Corbyn just risk raising peoples expectations too high, meaning that they more likely to refuse realistic measures because they think they can have their cake and eat it too.
 
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Lothian said:
It was ridiculous that Nicola Sturgeon was on last night. The point of the show was to inform the British public on who to vote for.

Parties by seats contested are



Tories 635

Labour 631

Lib 611

Green 495

Brexit 275

SNP 59



This is about the next UK parliament, it was wrong imo to have someone who is representating a party contesting under 10% of seats. If you do want to include small regional parties increase the number of guests. Otherwise give the 4th podium to the greens.
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I do actually think looking at these things as per contested seats as well as actual seats last time is a fairish system.

Even though of course that would have meant career politicians like Farage would have been on.
 
Rolfe said:
Do that if you like, but in that case don't broadcast the programme in Scotland.
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Sorry your logic, if you have any, is lost on me.
It is a UK election, why treat Scottish constituencies as more important? Why should Scotland get more consideration than the Midlands, the South West or any group of 59 adjacent constituencies? If anything Scotland should get less consideration as this election has far less of an effect on Scotland due to the delegated powers.
 
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