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UAW loses again.

The Don said:
From the reports it sounds like the UAW's "crime" was to attempt to work in concert with VW to ensure that the plant remains cost competitive. This sounds like way employers and unions ought to work together.
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You must not be familiar with the UAW ... :rolleyes:



The Don said:
Maybe you can detail the ways in which you think that German union law is more restrictive than US union law. My experience of working in Germany (my largest client for the last 3 1/2 years is a German-based multinational) is that German unions wield power that US unions can only dream of but because neither union not employers behave like spoiled children (and because there isn't an implacable opposition to union representation in Germany) the unions largely work in cooperation with the employers.
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Did I imply any such silly thing? That German laws are more restrictive? On whom? :confused: :rolleyes:

You must not be familiar with the manner in which the UAW and other large unions are entangled with Democrat party funding (to the absolute detriment of their members, the economy, and society at large). :rolleyes:
 
What is happening is that the South is trying to return to the 1850s; Almost no industrial base. All economic activity extractive. Most in abject poverty for the benefit of the already very wealthy.

I say we let them!
 
balrog666 said:
Did I imply any such silly thing? That German laws are more restrictive? On whom? :confused: :rolleyes:
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Well you said...

But expecting a German company who is used to German unions who operate under German law to understand the absolute evil that is the UAW is asking a bit much ...
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So unless there was something special about German law which restricted the way in which unions operate then why mention it ?

I mean if the key difference is that German unions are in some way benign or wield less influence and that the legal framework in which they operate is not a key factor the you would have merely said

But expecting a German company who is used to German unions to understand the absolute evil that is the UAW is asking a bit much ...
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The fact that you brought up German law means that you think that this is a major factor. What aspects of German union legislation are germane here ?
 
BenBurch said:
What is happening is that the South is trying to return to the 1850s; Almost no industrial base. All economic activity extractive. Most in abject poverty for the benefit of the already very wealthy.

I say we let them!
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What a strange and counter-factual assertion.
 
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jj said:
Not according to VW, it's not.
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VW has never said anything of the sort.

It does seem to me that the south wants to return to the 1840's. New England should be glad.
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Contrary to Ben's claim and apparently your beliefs too, southern states not only want to increase their manufacturing industries, they are succeeding in doing exactly that.
 
Ziggurat said:
VW has never said anything of the sort.



Contrary to Ben's claim and apparently your beliefs too, southern states not only want to increase their manufacturing industries, they are succeeding in doing exactly that.
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Well said -- the facts speak for themselves, even the obvious ones. ;)
 
daenku32 said:
I guess I'm "absolute evil" as well since I also give money to Democratic political campaigns.
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If your definition of "evil" is someone who agrees with something that I don't, then sure. A bit narcissistic, though.
 
Ziggurat said:
What a strange and counter-factual assertion.
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Although I don't agree to the full extend of JJ's claim, that doesn't really debunk what he is saying. So the South gets a few token manufacturing jobs, that doesn't mean that those jobs aren't designed to benefit the very wealthy (they are) or that they will pull the region out of poverty (they won't, the South got those jobs because it is poverty stricken). The last thing the white-trash Southern politicians want is a wealthy, educated voter base (who tend to be more liberal and secular). Come back when the wealth, education levels and standards of living in the South are on par with the Northeast and especially come back when they can do it without sucking on the tit of the Federal government.
 
Tony said:
Although I don't agree to the full extend of JJ's claim, that doesn't really debunk what he is saying.
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It certainly debunks a central part of his claim.

The last thing the white-trash Southern politicians want is a wealthy, educated voter base (who tend to be more liberal and secular).
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In other words, the only part of his (and your) claim which isn't debunked is the part which is unfalsifiable to begin with.
 
Ziggurat said:
It certainly debunks a central part of his claim.
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How? he claimed "..almost no industrial base...". The article doesn't say anything about the percentage of manufacturing jobs in the South now of in the future. It only talks about a few thousand new jobs.
 
Tony said:
How? he claimed "..almost no industrial base...".
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He also claimed that the south doesn't want an industrial base. But that's clearly not the case: southern states have explicit policy goals of increasing manufacturing. And they are succeeding.

And as for your claim about wealthy, educated voter base? Let me know how that's working out for Detroit, a bastion of Democratic governance.
 
BenBurch said:
I'm talking about the effect these policies are going to have, not the effect they were intended to have.
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No you weren't. You were very explicitly declaring their intended effect:

BenBurch said:
What is happening is that the South is trying to return to the 1850s; Almost no industrial base. All economic activity extractive. Most in abject poverty for the benefit of the already very wealthy.

I say we let them!
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Your own words refute you.

BenBurch said:
The South is heading for the dumpster.

I intend to help them along if I can.
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There is no reason to believe your predictions are anything more than wishful (and spiteful) thinking.
 
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