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UAW loses again.

PhantomWolf said:
Yes I know that you are confused because your article didn't back up your claim that the UAW were trying to bankrupt another company, rather it stated that in fact, it was exactly the opposite, that they had already agreed to limit and not push for higher wages and benefits than those that existed in the other factories. I'm not sure what difficulty you have with that, other than not reading your own articles before linking to them.
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I did not say the UAW were "trying to bankrupt another company" as that implies a deliberate intent; I stated that that result was thwarted as a result of the UAW loss. Can you tell the difference? ;)
 
balrog666 said:
Do you think the UAW (under US labor law and Obama's NRLB after 60 years of abusive behavior) is in any way comparable to European unions under EU law? :confused:
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It would be interesting if this vote led to the expansion of European Unions into the US. The UAW would be done.
 
It's funny, the OP's author is saying that he knows infinitely more about how to make cars profitably than VW.

Perhaps then he should provide evidence for this claimed expertise. After all, we must know what the qualifications for the individual making the judgment are. Not all opinions are equal, no matter the equivocation and tu quoque we see here (and elsewhere).
 
balrog666 said:
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha! Wrong again. :p
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Does the really long first syllable lessen the embarrassment? I feel for you. I once mis-read a court decision and argued, very convincingly I might add, the logic of the case for three pages before someone caught my error. I had the common sense to say, "Well, Ooooops.... Never mind, then." I have some of that (common sense and humility) left over if you need to borrow a bit to get you out of here. Otherwise, I fear you may hit the earth's core soon with all the digging you're doing.
 
kookbreaker said:
Well that worked out well.

One wonders if this is VW actually wanting to work with a Union or more unhappy with how politicians interfered with the company/employee relationship.
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VW has been a success in large part because of worker voice in decisions. Without that, and with the political climate of the south, they really don't have much of a choice for long term profitability but to move where they can get this important input.

If they're looking for places to move I have a few suggestions.
 
tyr_13 said:
VW has been a success in large part because of worker voice in decisions. Without that, and with the political climate of the south, they really don't have much of a choice for long term profitability but to move where they can get this important input.

If they're looking for places to move I have a few suggestions.
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I'm confused. Is VW really legitimately interested in worker's rights and well-being to the point that when the state busted the union for them, they're leaving to find a place with labor-friendly government?

Really?
 
kookbreaker said:
Well that worked out well.

One wonders if this is VW actually wanting to work with a Union or more unhappy with how politicians interfered with the company/employee relationship.
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Are there any other sources for that? For a 5 day old report on that site I can't find anything elsewhere. Of course it could just be my googlefu is lacking.
 
quixotecoyote said:
I'm confused. Is VW really legitimately interested in worker's rights and well-being to the point that when the state busted the union for them, they're leaving to find a place with labor-friendly government?

Really?
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Maybe. It wouldn't be uncalled for.

Trying to verify the article and can't...so maybe not.
 
Yeah, this might have been a gun jump. Although I have found a few articles about VW labor & management being a bit dismayed about future prospects in the South.
 
balrog666 said:
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha! Wrong again. :p
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kookbreaker said:
Well that worked out well.

One wonders if this is VW actually wanting to work with a Union or more unhappy with how politicians interfered with the company/employee relationship.
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kookbreaker said:
Yeah, this might have been a gun jump. Although I have found a few articles about VW labor & management being a bit dismayed about future prospects in the South.
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Ahem... you were saying, balrog666?
 
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MattusMaximus said:
Ahem... you were saying, balrog666?
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Good for the current workers, bad for future workers at the same plant, bad for the company.

But expecting a German company who is used to German unions who operate under German law to understand the absolute evil that is the UAW is asking a bit much ...
 
balrog666 said:
Good for the current workers, bad for future workers at the same plant, bad for the company.

But expecting a German company who is used to German unions who operate under German law to understand the absolute evil that is the UAW is asking a bit much ...
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VWoA stands for VW of America. They've been around for a while. And in Brazil and Mexico and China and India and Australia and France and Belgium... Oh, and Germany.

I'd love to see what the anti-union screeders on these forums would say if they had to deal with German labor unions.

This is just another case of Tennessee's local affairs being interfered with by outside influences for political reasons. Isn't that why the formed the Klan in Tennessee - to prevent this kind of whatcher call yer "outside agitators".

And there's no reason for it other than the kneejerk "Union = Bad!" reaction of most paleos. It was a close vote, even with the PAC money and Norquist adventures.
 
balrog666 said:
Good for the current workers, bad for future workers at the same plant, bad for the company.
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From the reports it sounds like the UAW's "crime" was to attempt to work in concert with VW to ensure that the plant remains cost competitive. This sounds like way employers and unions ought to work together.

balrog666 said:
But expecting a German company who is used to German unions who operate under German law to understand the absolute evil that is the UAW is asking a bit much ...
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Maybe you can detail the ways in which you think that German union law is more restrictive than US union law. My experience of working in Germany (my largest client for the last 3 1/2 years is a German-based multinational) is that German unions wield power that US unions can only dream of but because neither union not employers behave like spoiled children (and because there isn't an implacable opposition to union representation in Germany) the unions largely work in cooperation with the employers.
 
Yes, I can confirm that, when co-determination is in place, the leadership can't follow up with their business plan without the approval of the works council.

That works very well, because it gets everyone on board, and prevents oversights that are natural from the fact that the leadership are not doing the jobs they are managing.

This system is in no small way a reason why the German industries can be so competitive while paying relatively high wages and benefits.
 
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