Merged Two Mosques to be built near Ground Zero

So, it looks things came to a head this Sunday.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/...is-d-day-for-the-911-mega-mosque-protest.html

http://dnainfo.com/20100604/manhatt...repare-for-sunday-demonstration#ixzz0ptVHrSTz

LOWER MANHATTAN — Less than 72 hours before a large protest against the ground zero mosque, both the demonstrators and the police are making final plans.

The D-Day protest, which will likely draw hundreds of people, starts at noon on Sunday at the corner of Church and Liberty Streets, across from the World Trade Center site.

The NYPD’s 1st Precinct has called in extra officers from the Borough Manhattan South Patrol, and the NYPD is finalizing crowd control plans, a police official told DNAinfo.

“We’re absolutely aware of it,” the official said. “We’re working with the organization to make sure it goes smoothly.”

"Ground zero is a war memorial, a burial ground,” Pamela Geller, executive director of SIOA, said in an e-mail to DNAinfo this week. “A mosque is incredibly insensitive."​



BE THERE AT THE CORNER OF CHURCH AND LIBERTY TO PROTEST THE ISLAMIC SUPREMACIST MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO.

SIOA Rally June 6 Against Islamic Supremacist Mosque At Ground Zero

The SIOA No 9/11 Mosque Rally will be at the corner of Church and Liberty Streets, near Ground Zero. Supporting groups include the Freedom Defense Initiative; ACT for America (ACT Manhattan chapter); Z Street; SIOE; No Mosque at Ground Zero; Staten Island Tea Party; American Bulldogs; VAST; the Center for Security Policy; Shalom International; the Unity Coalition for Israel; 911 Families; Indian American Intellectuals Forum; Veterans Against Jihad (VAJ); and Faith Freedom International.

... Building the Ground Zero mosque is not an issue of religious freedom, but of resisting an effort to insult the victims of 9/11 and to establish a beachhead for political Islam and Islamic supremacism in New York.​

Pictures of the event can be found here, here and here.

It seems some Truthers showed up too.
 
look at all the "No Mosque in Ground Zero" signs.

these fascists are soooo stupid. do ANY of them know that the Mosque will be 2.5 blocks away from GZ, and out of sight?

morons and bigots...all of them.
 
To quote what I said in the other thread:

Let us imagine for a minute that the "Jenin Massacre" of thousands of Palestinians in 2002 were real, and not an Arab propaganda lie.

Let us imagine that this massacre was celebrated throughout Israel by dancing in the street and claiming that it is Jehovah's judgment on the unbelieving Palestinians, who should convert to Judaism as soon as possible.

Let us imagine further that, afterward, Israel decide to build a huge synagogue right on the point of the biggest atrocity of all in the massacre, right on the spot of the ruins of a -- say -- a hospital that was razed to the ground with all inside killed during it.

What would you say then about religious freedom, folks? Would you consider those who protest the synagogue nothing but evil antisemites? Would quotes from the Bible or the Talmud about decent treatment towards non-Jews be to the point justifying this?

Or would you realize the obvious truth, that, like this Saudi-funded mosque, such a synagogue's main purpose would not so much be religious worship, but a deliberate political and imperialist poke in the eye to the infidels?

...exactly.

Of course my example is purely theoretical and hypothetical. Jews, whatever their faults, are not known to celebrate victories (or defeats) with grand architectural imperialism. The tiny group that wants to raze the Mosque on the dome of the rock and rebuilt the temple, for example, makes a lot of noise, but constitutes, perhaps, 0.1% of Israeli Jews (to say nothing of Jews in general.)

This mosque, however, is real. It's establishing a place for Islamic worship, at the site of the big victory of the forces of Islam over the infidels, as a sign of ownership and an memorial of the victory: a very old Islamic tradition, starting from Mecca and Medina, continuing (in the 700s) in Jerusalem and Damascus, continuing later in Al-Andalus, Constantinople, etc.

It is one thing if you did this sort of thing in 600, 700, or 1400 AD. Back then standards were different, and Christians (for instance) acted in the same way. The whole problem with Islam, however, it is that it is hell-bent, at least today the same sort of conquest-filled imperialism as it was 1000 years ago.
 
You might have had a point if this was anything like what you describe, instead of simply improving the facilities at an already exisiting building, blocks away from Ground Zero .... but even then, it would be tenuous.
 
Skeptic said:
To quote what I said in the other thread:

Let us imagine for a minute that the "Jenin Massacre" of thousands of Palestinians in 2002 were real, and not an Arab propaganda lie.

Let us imagine that this massacre was celebrated throughout Israel by dancing in the street and claiming that it is Jehovah's judgment on the unbelieving Palestinians, who should convert to Judaism as soon as possible.

Let us imagine further that, afterward, Israel decide to build a huge synagogue right on the point of the biggest atrocity of all in the massacre, right on the spot of the ruins of a -- say -- a hospital that was razed to the ground with all inside killed during it.

What would you say then about religious freedom, folks? Would you consider those who protest the synagogue nothing but evil antisemites? Would quotes from the Bible or the Talmud about decent treatment towards non-Jews be to the point justifying this?

Or would you realize the obvious truth, that, like this Saudi-funded mosque, such a synagogue's main purpose would not so much be religious worship, but a deliberate political and imperialist poke in the eye to the infidels?

...exactly.

Of course my example is purely theoretical and hypothetical. Jews, whatever their faults, are not known to celebrate victories (or defeats) with grand architectural imperialism. The tiny group that wants to raze the Mosque on the dome of the rock and rebuilt the temple, for example, makes a lot of noise, but constitutes, perhaps, 0.1% of Israeli Jews (to say nothing of Jews in general.)

This mosque, however, is real. It's establishing a place for Islamic worship, at the site of the big victory of the forces of Islam over the infidels, as a sign of ownership and an memorial of the victory: a very old Islamic tradition, starting from Mecca and Medina, continuing (in the 700s) in Jerusalem and Damascus, continuing later in Al-Andalus, Constantinople, etc.

It is one thing if you did this sort of thing in 600, 700, or 1400 AD. Back then standards were different, and Christians (for instance) acted in the same way. The whole problem with Islam, however, it is that it is hell-bent, at least today the same sort of conquest-filled imperialism as it was 1000 years ago.
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Moslems and Moslem groups around the globe have condemned the terror atacks on 9/11.
 
Thunder said:
anyways...

there is no good reason not to build a mosque near GZ. there are hundreds of thousands of Muslims in NYC and they have the right to build religious and cultural institutions.
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So you would have no problem if someone opened a hot dog stand that also sold pork rinds and ham sandwiches on the sidewalk right outside the mosque entrance even if the muslims raised 'holy hell' about it?
 
jakesteele said:
So you would have no problem if someone opened a hot dog stand that also sold pork rinds and ham sandwiches on the sidewalk right outside the mosque entrance even if the muslims raised 'holy hell' about it?
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if the purpose of the hot dog stand was to insult and offend the Muslims, than I might have a problem with it.

any evidence that this Mosque is being built to insult and offend Americans?
 
Skeptic said:
This mosque, however, is real. It's establishing a place for Islamic worship, at the site of the big victory of the forces of Islam over the infidels, as a sign of ownership and an memorial of the victory:
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no. its 2.5 blocks away. and out of sight of GZ.

get your facts straight.

and 9-11 was done by Muslim extremists, NOT mainstream Muslims.

its like saying Yigal Amir or Meir Kahane was just your average Jew.

would you be against a Lutheran Church being built 2.5 blocks away from the gates of Auschwitz? how about 2.5 blocks away from Yad Vashem?
 
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Safe-Keeper said:
In the thread over at General Forums at subsim.com, several other forumers went to great length to explain to us naïve sheep that Islam is a violent, woman-hating, intolerant religion because the Qur'an says so and so. When I pointed out to them that there are moderates among Muslims, too, and that this centre was being built to promote this approach to Islam, they immediately told me that moderate Muslims are not "true Muslims", and that the Qur'an says the "real" Muslims should kill them. At that point, I left the thread.
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At a conservative site I lurk at this came up and they too went on and on about the eviiils of Islam using the same language you refer to above. A fellow conservative pointed out to them the first amendment and the government cannot stop them from building the mosque the rest of them turned on him and reviled him for his lack of understanding the Constitution. If I recall correctly their arguments were one of either:

1. The bill of rights only restricts what the federal government can do. State and local government are ok to discriminate on the basis of religion.

2. Islam does not qualify as a religion

3. The Constitution is not a suicide pact and in times of war, like this, we can suspend certain parts of it.

The poor conservative who argued against these self-proclaimed "constitutionalists" was ridiculed roundly and accused of being a liberal.

ETA: I forgot to add that they all know that teh mosque will become a training ground for new terrorists. Seriously.
 
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Lurker said:
1. The bill of rights only restricts what the federal government can do. State and local government are ok to discriminate on the basis of religion.

2. Islam does not qualify as a religion

3. The Constitution is not a suicide pact and in times of war, like this, we can suspend certain parts of it.
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#1. State, city, and local laws can indeed violate Federal law and be unConstitutional.

#2. Islam IS a religion.

#3. We are not at war against Muslim-Americans. If we are, I suggest we put them all into concentration camps.
 
jakesteele said:
So you would have no problem if someone opened a hot dog stand that also sold pork rinds and ham sandwiches on the sidewalk right outside the mosque entrance even if the muslims raised 'holy hell' about it?
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This is New York City.

There probably is a hot dog stand that sells that outside the mosque as we speak.

Owned by an immigrant from some Islamic country, chances are...
 
Skeptic said:
This is New York City.
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Yes. This IS....NYC.

And here, we tolerate differences of opinion, and different faiths.

We believe in freedom of religion. This is a very central part of our long colonial history, going all the way back to the 1640s, when Peter Stuyvesant tried to persecute the Quakers and Jews.

Learn the history of your city. We are not bigots. This new Muslim cultural center with a mosque inside is more than welcome.
 
Thunder said:
#1. State, city, and local laws can indeed violate Federal law and be unConstitutional.
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I don't remember everything I learned in law school, but there was some event, around 1860, I think, that sort of made that point...
 
Thunder said:
Yes. This IS....NYC.

And here, we tolerate differences of opinion, and different faiths.

We believe in freedom of religion. This is a very central part of our long colonial history, going all the way back to the 1640s, when Peter Stuyvesant tried to persecute the Quakers and Jews.

Learn the history of your city. We are not bigots. This new Muslim cultural center with a mosque inside is more than welcome.
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Not anymore :D

http://www.native-languages.org/york.htm
 
Skeptic said:
This mosque, however, is real. It's establishing a place for Islamic worship, at the site of the big victory of the forces of Islam over the infidels, as a sign of ownership and an memorial of the victory: a very old Islamic tradition, starting from Mecca and Medina, continuing (in the 700s) in Jerusalem and Damascus, continuing later in Al-Andalus, Constantinople, etc.
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Because Islam equals terrorism? Right! I get it!
 
Skeptic said:
This is New York City.

There probably is a hot dog stand that sells that outside the mosque as we speak.

Owned by an immigrant from some Islamic country, chances are...
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Selling all-beef hot dogs (to piss of the Indians).:D

C'mon Skeptic! At least get SOME of the facts straight. New York street hot dogs have been all beef for a century. To appease the ebil joos, of course.
 
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