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Turkish support for ISIS

So a German public TV satire magazine has made a nice interpretation of an old NENA song thoroughly making fun of Erdogan including his habit of beating up on the Kurds instead of ISIS. The wannabe Sultan summons the German ambassador and seriously demands that this video should be "deleted". Large parts of the German civil society ROTFL and agree that he has finally lost his mind, and the satire magazine smells a hit and adds English subtitles to the youtube version in a classic case of the Streisand effect. ~2 million views so far. Enjoy:


edit: Needless to say, Merkel regime stays silent on the affair.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
So a German public TV satire magazine has made a nice interpretation of an old NENA song thoroughly making fun of Erdogan including his habit of beating up on the Kurds instead of ISIS. The wannabe Sultan summons the German ambassador and seriously demands that this video should be "deleted". Large parts of the German civil society ROTFL and agree that he has finally lost his mind, and the satire magazine smells a hit and adds English subtitles to the youtube version in a classic case of the Streisand effect. ~2 million views so far. Enjoy:


edit: Needless to say, Merkel regime stays silent on the affair.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35925828

Quote:
"A spokeswoman for the German foreign ministry said Berlin had told Ankara basic freedoms were "non-negotiable".

Is she not part of the Merkel regime?
 
Belgian thought said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35925828

Quote:
"A spokeswoman for the German foreign ministry said Berlin had told Ankara basic freedoms were "non-negotiable".

Is she not part of the Merkel regime?
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Article published six hours ago. Duh. If you want I can show you video of the event which happened many hours after my post (Bundespressekonferenz) where those remarks were stated - after explicit questioning. Whatever, why should I care if you want, it's here.

Still not a word from Merkel regime people themselves - as stated by the spokespeople ("we're here for your concerns") - contrary to Jean-Claude Juncker who at least brought it over himself to "not appreciate" the Turkish antics..
 
I really don't see the problem here. This incident is getting the kind of response I'd expect. Diplomacy is a quietist business.

No doubt it will get press coverage because it says so much about Erdogan and the robustness of Turkish democracy.

They are never, ever getting in, you know. They just aren't.
 
CapelDodger said:
I really don't see the problem here. This incident is getting the kind of response I'd expect. Diplomacy is a quietist business.

No doubt it will get press coverage because it says so much about Erdogan and the robustness of Turkish democracy.

They are never, ever getting in, you know. They just aren't.
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Indeed - cherry picking YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r40Vnfotvxk

It is a diplomatic affair, but the position is clear.
 
Surfaces that the German ambassador has already been bothered three times this year with Ankara's authoritarian crap. Opinion-making establishment weekly SPIEGEL cover today is "the dreadful friend":

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The authoritarianism doesn't stop at Ankara. They brought the roadshow to D.C. earlier this week.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/03/turkey-media-crackdown/476283/


Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s security detail manhandled reporters and protesters at an event at which the Turkish president was speaking.

Turkish media and the president’s critics are by now used to such incidents, but they probably didn’t expect them to happen in Washington, D.C., where Erdogan was speaking at the Brookings Institution.
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Also, here is the response given to demonstrators protesting the banning of an International Women's Day parade a few weeks ago in Istanbul.

 
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OK, is this a general "bash Turkey" thread, or can we confine it to the issue of Turkish support to ISIS?

My guess is that Capel is right bout the EU entry -- not likely for quite a while, and their heavy handed action vis a vis Kurds and ISIS support recently contribute to that -- but in time a lot of stuff changes.
 
Merkel has been forced to react. Another public TV satire magazine doubled down and explained to Erdogan what can and cannot stand as satire in Germany, including giving a negative example by reading a totally over-the-top insulting, vulgar "poem" about him (complete with Turkish subtitles), pointing out that stuff like that might be deleted from the archives, but only after it was aired, and would always be available on the net. And so it happened: the part was deleted from the ZDF archive and cut out of a re-run of the show, is available on youtube, and Merkel's speaker just announced that she kind of apologized in a phone call to Davutoglu and mentioned the deletion, maybe wishing she had for once not tried to sit out something... :D

In other news for DR, who I'm sure is totally interested, Churkin has presented to the UNSC on Friday what he says is more evidence for Turkish-ISIS collaboration through shadow companies tied to MIT (Turkish Intelligence).
 
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Childlike Empress said:
Merkel has been forced to react. Another public TV satire magazine doubled down and explained to Erdogan what can and cannot stand as satire in Germany, including giving a negative example by reading a totally over-the-top insulting, vulgar "poem" about him (complete with Turkish subtitles), pointing out that stuff like that might be deleted from the archives, but only after it was aired, and would always be available on the net. And so it happened: the part was deleted from the ZDF archive and cut out of a re-run of the show, is available on youtube, and Merkel's speaker just announced that she kind of apologized in a phone call to Davutoglu and mentioned the deletion, maybe wishing she had for once not tried to sit out something... :D
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Thank you for the link. They do a good job of explaining the difference between satire and defamation. However, they leave me with one big question. Who has smaller hands, Erdogan or Trump?
 
That should be Erdogan or Putin if you really want to wind him up.

I wonder if Erdogan's sweating over the Panama Papers? Wouldn't that be wonderful. (I'm expecting no end of entertainment from that unheralded windfall.)
 
CapelDodger said:
I predict now that ISIS will lose Raqaa before Assad is gone.
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That's a rather safe bet I think, but who will do it? The Rojava Kurds have just announced that there will be a campaign to conquer Manbij, a far smaller target than Raqqa and kind of in their traditional influence - although possibly such a victory would be enraging the Turks -, while Raqqa is all Arab and the US "coalition" in my opinion underestimates the amount of awareness of the Kurds of historical backstabbings. Why should they send their sons and daughters to die for Raqqa?
 
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CapelDodger said:
That should be Erdogan or Putin if you really want to wind him up.

I wonder if Erdogan's sweating over the Panama Papers? Wouldn't that be wonderful. (I'm expecting no end of entertainment from that unheralded windfall.)
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Anout as much as Putin is. Yani, not at all.
 
I still can't understand why the United States and Israel support Al Qaeda and Al Nusra, particularly after 9/11 which was a terrible crime, and it now seems quickly forgotten. Arrogant and smug Britishers, with their lack of good human relations in the National Health Service, support this policy as well just in order to topple Assad.

In the 1950's Jordan and Iraq had plans to invade Syria. Now Saudi Arabia and Turkey want to launch an invasion of Syria. The United Nations cannot be depended on to protect weak and small countries like Syria from aggression. The silly thing is that Christians in Syria support Assad. They don't want Isis in Damascus and Jerusalem. That makes sense to me even though wealthy Syrians store their money abroad because they think taxes are too high, and they don't believe in paying taxes.
 
Henri McPhee said:
I still can't understand why the United States and Israel support Al Qaeda and Al Nusra, particularly after 9/11 which was a terrible crime, and it now seems quickly forgotten.
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You might want to refigure what you think you know. To assert that the US supports Al Qaeda, for example, is to be both willfully ignorant and obtuse.
 
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