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Turkish support for ISIS

Well, even the official State propaganda paper of the United States Government - the Voice of America - indicates that the rebel cause is hopeless in an article entitled, "Moderate Syrian Rebel Factions Face Wipe-Out".

http://www.voanews.com/content/moderate-syrian-rebel-factions-face-wipe-out/3180474.html

I guess this is the USA's way of telling the rebels that no more meaningful aid is forthcoming and that they should skidaddle before Assad takes over.
 
Henri McPhee said:
It makes me wonder if there are some people in high places who want to cull the world's population, and that there are some people in labs supported by the CIA who are dreaming up new diseases like Sars and Ebola and Aids to reduce the population and increase the profits of pharmaceutical companies.
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The CT forum is that way, Henri. ----------------->

What you explained and what you previously described Are Not The Same thing.

That does not in any way reduce the tragedy of what's been going on in the Syrian civil war, which is in its fifth year. Our own only lasted about 4 years, and we took out about a half a million of our own from a smaller population base than Syria started with hers. Believe it or not, we get how freaking horrific a civil war is.
 
Jules Galen said:
Well, even the official State propaganda paper of the United States Government - the Voice of America - indicates that the rebel cause is hopeless in an article entitled, "Moderate Syrian Rebel Factions Face Wipe-Out".

http://www.voanews.com/content/moderate-syrian-rebel-factions-face-wipe-out/3180474.html

I guess this is the USA's way of telling the rebels that no more meaningful aid is forthcoming and that they should skidaddle before Assad takes over.
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Here's a bit of truth about those allegedly "moderate rebel" leaders the state-sponsored propaganda bullhorn is quoting there claiming they have no choice but to join Nusra/ISIS now. Good riddance to them.
 
There was some silly cow from Istanbul on the TV yesterday saying that the Kurds broke the two year long truce with the Kurds last July. My memory of those events was that a group of Kurdish students in Turkey were brutally murdered by some sort of car bomb, or suicide bomb, and then the Turkish air force almost immediately flew off and killed another sixty Kurds in Northern Iraq. That doesn't make sense to me unless Turkey, as well as Isis, was involved in that car bombing.

Similarly a few months later about a hundred Kurds and tourists were blown up during a Kurdish peace rally in Turkey. From what I can make out the leader of the Kurdish PKK, who has been jailed in Turkey for years, has urged the Kurds and the Turks to make peace. He is not the warmonger. The Turks are racists. They want another of their genocides against the Kurds like they did to the Armenians in the first world war.

Turkey should be informed, as well as Israel and Saudi Arabia, that aggressive warfare is against international law.
 
Henri McPhee said:
Turkey should be informed, as well as Israel and Saudi Arabia, that aggressive warfare is against international law.
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They are aware. I doubt they much care, as international law is only as good as its enforcement. So, they'll take their chances with the "international community" in its current multi polar and disorganized condition.
 
Childlike Empress said:
In related news, US urges Turkey to halt Syria strikes against YPG/SDF.
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The US has long publically announced imbedded special forces within the YPG as they have been the most effective ground force in fighting ISIS.

Turkey will be in an interesting spot if they kill some of their NATO ally troops. Not sure that they will really care that much though (at least privately).

It has been a 'kill the Kurds, and damn the consequences' policy for Erdogan. With heavy use of ISIS and Al-Qaeda to help them with that goal. Including recently reportedly sending 900 Islamic extremists into Azaz.


The Guardian has an interesting article detailing some of the blatant support for ISIS that Turkey has provided around Azaz.

Azaz: the border town that is ground zero in Syria's civil war
For nearly five years of war, the Syrian border town of Azaz had been little more than a staging point. Opposition fighters used it to receive supplies from the main crossing three miles north, and casualties of the brutal conflict were sent the other way to hospitals inside Turkey.

Nothing changed when Islamic State made Azaz one of its main hubs for six months from mid-2013. The supplies kept coming and the wounded continued to leave...

The US remains convinced that Turkey has, at times throughout the war, dealt with Isis and has enabled its rise through a lax border regime early on, and a cross-border black market oil trade. While Turkey has joined the coalition against the terror organization, the number of air attacks it launches against the PKK and YPG continues to dwarf those it launches against Isis.
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Darth Rotor said:
They are aware. I doubt they much care, as international law is only as good as its enforcement. So, they'll take their chances with the "international community" in its current multi polar and disorganized condition.
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Aggressive warfare is still illegal, like bank fraud, or murder. I agree there is a problem with enforcement, rather like white collar crime, or child sex abuse. The UN is not much help. The silly thing is if you don't pay your TV Licence, or Council tax, you are in the clink in no time at all.

It's like Hillary Clinton saying in the past that she approves of narcotics because there is a demand for it and it improves the administrative corruption of the GDP figures.

There were some stupid journalists on Sky TV the other day saying that the EU had protected Europe from Russian aggression and terrorism. If those journalists had any military or security experience, or wide and practical experience, they would understand that Russia has been restrained by NATO, and by our armed forces. How many divisions has the Vatican got?

I think it was financially sensible for the UK government not to join the Euro currency. We might have ended up like Greece.

In any case Russia only has an argument at the moment with Turkey for shooting down one of its warplanes, and with the fascist beasts in the Ukraine, and the right-wing lunatics in America.
 
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Henri McPhee said:
Aggressive warfare is still illegal, like bank fraud, or murder. I agree there is a problem with enforcement, rather like white collar crime, or child sex abuse. The UN is not much help. The silly thing is if you don't pay your TV Licence, or Council tax, you are in the clink in no time at all.

It's like Hillary Clinton saying in the past that she approves of narcotics because there is a demand for it and it improves the administrative corruption of the GDP figures.

There were some stupid journalists on Sky TV the other day saying that the EU had protected Europe from Russian aggression and terrorism. If those journalists had any military or security experience, or wide and practical experience, they would understand that Russia has been restrained by NATO, and by our armed forces. How many divisions has the Vatican got?

I think it was financially sensible for the UK government not to join the Euro currency. We might have ended up like Greece.

In any case Russia only has an argument at the moment with Turkey for shooting down one of its warplanes, and with the fascist beasts in the Ukraine, and the right-wing lunatics in America.
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To play with your Euro comment a bit - we could have ended up like Germany...

However, I fail to see what that has to do with the OP?
 
Henri McPhee said:
Aggressive warfare is still illegal, like bank fraud, or murder.
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No, it's not like bank fraud, while collar crime, or much else that is the crime of an individual.

It's an activity very much at the collective and aggregate level, orders of magnitude different from any individual act. To pretend otherwise is willful ignorance of its nature.

Declaring it illegal won't make it stop happening. In that regard only is it similar to those other things. To say that it is a feature of human behavior, at the collective/group level, is accurate.

Welcome to reality, which you try to declare illegal.
 
Rincewind said:
To play with your Euro comment a bit - we could have ended up like Germany...

However, I fail to see what that has to do with the OP?
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All Germany's debts were cleared after the second world war by America, for geopolitical reasons, and for an alliance between America and West Germany, unlike Germany's reparations after the first world war, and Britain's debts after the war, and Greece's debts now. We were told at the time of the referendum in 1975 that our cities would become as prosperous as Dusseldorf. This has not been the case, with libraries and swimming pools and public conveniences and affordable housing being closed.

Isis and Al Qaeda just don't want a peaceful solution. Turkey wants a foothold in Syria and Iraq, for its support for the so-called Islamic state, and war on the Kurds. Israel wants bloody slaughter. Bad characters are coming into Europe along with refugee families.

The CIA has been gathering intelligence and trying to topple Assad, but they are also deciding policy, which is always dangerous.

It's like British politicians talk about free trade and a competitive common market and worker rights when they are in the UK, but a European political union and closer integration when they are talking in Europe. Tough journalists safe in their Fleet Street billets are not telling the public and the House of Commons what is going on.
 
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Henri McPhee said:
All Germany's debts were cleared after the second world war by America, for geopolitical reasons, and for an alliance between America and West Germany, unlike Germany's reparations after the first world war, and Britain's debts after the war, and Greece's debts now. We were told at the time of the referendum in 1975 that our cities would become as prosperous as Dusseldorf. This has not been the case, with libraries and swimming pools and public conveniences and affordable housing being closed.
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Evidence for the highlighted bit please.
 
Rincewind said:
To play with your Euro comment a bit - we could have ended up like Germany...

However, I fail to see what that has to do with the OP?
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All Germany's debts were cleared after the second world war by America, for geopolitical reasons, and and for an alliance between America and West Germany, unlike Germany's reparations after the first world war, and Britain's debts after the war, and Greece's debts now. We were told at the time of the referendum in 1975 that our cities would become as prosperous as Dusseldorf. This has not been the case, with libraries and swimming pools and public conveniences and affordable housing being closed.

Isis and Al Qaeda just don't want a peaceful solution. Turkey wants a foothold in Syria and Iraq, for its support for the so-called Islamic state, and war on the Kurds. Israel wants bloody slaughter. Bad characters are coming into Europe along with refugee families.

The CIA has been gathering intelligence and trying to topple Assad, but they are also deciding policy, which is always dangerous.

It's like British politicians talk about free trade and a competitive common market and worker rights when they are in the UK, but a European political union and closer integration when they are talking in Europe. Tough journalists safe in their Fleet Street billets are not telling the public and the House of Commons what is going on.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Yup, Henri and the silly guys who set up the system of international relations after WWII. Didn't you learn about it before they allowed you to fly the helicopter?
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My understanding of international power politics and the history behind them is considerably deeper than your own, based on your output here for the past five years.

Thanks for the attempted cheap shot, it's nice to know that some things will never change.
 
I don't like the way the new Nazis in Turkey are massing troops and heavy weaponry on the Syrian frontier. I think it could lead to trouble. It's only because Erdogan doesn't like Kurds, and Shia Muslims, and he regards Mosul in Iraq, and Jerusalem, as part of his new Ottoman Empire that he supports the head-chopping Isis. Meanwhile we prepare to alow Turkey into the European Political Union.
 
Henri McPhee said:
All Germany's debts were cleared after the second world war by America,
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Wrong.

Turkey wants a foothold in Syria and Iraq, for its support for the so-called Islamic state,
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Wrong.

Israel wants bloody slaughter.
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Wrong.

The CIA has been gathering intelligence and trying to topple Assad
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Wrong.

Stop reading nonsense sites, for your own good. You really do need to be rather thickheaded to simultaneously gloat over the failure over CIA program to train rebels who will fight ISIS but not Assad, and assume US is supporting ISIS to topple Assad at the same time.

The cheap Russian propaganda only works at such people. Don't be them :)

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
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Wrong.

Stop reading nonsense sites, for your own good. You really do need to be rather thickheaded to simultaneously gloat over the failure over CIA program to train rebels who will fight ISIS but not Assad, and assume US is supporting ISIS to topple Assad at the same time.

The cheap Russian propaganda only works at such people. Don't be them :)

McHrozni
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I can't help it if you think the Titanic didn't sink, or that the moon is made of green cheese.
 
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