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TSA to allow knives on planes

njslim said:
New rules proposed by the TSA will allow passengers to carry small knives
(blade less than 2 3/8" long, 1/2" wide) along with golf clubs, small baseball
bats, hockey sticks and other sports equipment

911 family members and the Flight attendents union are objecting to the new rules

http://news.yahoo.com/tsa-rules-knives-draw-fire-9-11-kin-191051767.html
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I guess if I were them I would make a fuss too. From what I understand they have changed the ability to access the cockpit though, haven't they? Making those weapons a bit useless in those circumstances.
 
They've cranked up the cockpit security with harder doors and cameras which the pilots can use to see who's knocking.

It's all well and good in the short time, people will notice is 5 guys all go through with blades onto the same flight, passengers will rise up if they hear a hijacking going on, security will be on the look out for anything suspicious.. but what happens in the long run? After time people, particularly younger people, forget the lessons of history, or do not know them all together, turning a change like this one into a loophole, and making it much easier for history to repeat.
 
cjnewson88 said:
They've cranked up the cockpit security with harder doors and cameras which the pilots can use to see who's knocking.

It's all well and good in the short time, people will notice is 5 guys all go through with blades onto the same flight, passengers will rise up if they hear a hijacking going on, security will be on the look out for anything suspicious.. but what happens in the long run? After time people, particularly younger people, forget the lessons of history, or do not know them all together, turning a change like this one into a loophole, and making it much easier for history to repeat.
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This...

Though, I wouldn't worry too much about the future. We'll all have our own flying cars by then. :D
 
Well that's good, the people can all kill each other but the plane will land safely.
 
sure let knives on planes how many flight attendents and passengers could three or four guys kill before passengers over power them?

pilots are also a steely bunch who will be unaffected when watching on camera as a flight attendent gets her throat slit and her screams are heard while another is passed forward and threatened with the same fate unless the cockpit crew meet demands.

Small prices to pay in order to save a bit of money in airport security by reducing the number of the lowest paid personel.

Small price to pay in order to garuntee passengers greater freedom in what they can take into the cabin with them.
 
I can't actually think of a reason why anyone would require a knife of any kind on a plane.
 
jaydeehess said:
sure let knives on planes how many flight attendents and passengers could three or four guys kill before passengers over power them?

pilots are also a steely bunch who will be unaffected when watching on camera as a flight attendent gets her throat slit and her screams are heard while another is passed forward and threatened with the same fate unless the cockpit crew meet demands.

Small prices to pay in order to save a bit of money in airport security by reducing the number of the lowest paid personel.

Small price to pay in order to garuntee passengers greater freedom in what they can take into the cabin with them.
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With no offense this and two others make me understand the deep fear and ignorance of weapons that must now reside in too many americans' minds. As I have explained details of this on way too many sites already, I will leave you to figure out why this is not a major (or, really, minor)problem of any statistical significance. Note, the complete silliness of the TSA is why I will not fly until those buffoons are eliminated or \replaced with actual security personnel who have some vague idea of what they are doing. On the bright side, if this drops the number of people flying for the reasons here given, I am all for it.
 
jaydeehess said:
next thing you know, they'll allow AR-15s too

yeah I went there, I'm a baaad boy
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no, just helping point out the silliness too!!:D


Ahhhh, hell- properly used I can do more effective damage with a bunch of the hard (fracturable) Bic pens than with a non-lockable under 3" blade knife - and make them ready to use faster.
 
yes, I was being sarcastic with the AR15 reference

however we do have at least 4 fairly recent examples of short knives being used to kill aircraft crews.
Given the very real non-requirement for such items to be on one's person while travelling on an aircraft it would seem prudent to ban them in aircraft cabins
 
jaydeehess said:
yes, I was being sarcastic with the AR15 reference

however we do have at least 4 fairly recent examples of short knives being used to kill aircraft crews.
Given the very real non-requirement for such items to be on one's person while travelling on an aircraft it would seem prudent to ban them in aircraft cabins
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Can you source those - and hopefully the length and type of the knives (I am suspecting fixed or lockable and 3.5-4"(or greater) blade (though greater might start a quibble re: small). Note: retractible razor box cutting knives are a completely different category of naughty.
 
Good thing allowing knives on planes , NOT SNAKES.....!

SNAKES....! ON THE PLANE...!
 
Dont underestimate how much damage a knife with 2 1/2 ' blade can do

Couple years back guy in Atlanta (ex military) was walking home from job as cook when
jumped by gang of teenagers . There were 6 of them, armed with shotgun and handgun

He had a "tactical knife" with blade of about 2 1/2"

Took on whole gang - killed one, severely wounded another at which point gang took off

Were caught by cops
 
Tactical means locking blade (along with other possibilities). Locking blades are good - that's why I mentioned the point in the post I noted. I will be surprised (and will have to pick up a couple of shorter blades IFF that point is clarified in the rules.) Until then, I'll just Keep On Not Flying!!
 
jaydeehess said:
box cutters are knives and although technically lockable, in my experience, the lock is generally not very good, and they are certainly small
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The lock is fine IF you are using them to slice open tape, string and related (tissues per ex) - not so much for stabbing.:)
Anyway, I suspect they will not be on the allowed list.
 
my Swiss Army pocket knofe is pretty basic, two blades and two scewdrivers. The larger blade is 2.5 inch and very sharp.

I suppose we just need to wait until someone does cause havoc on a plane with one
 
BangBang said:
I can't actually think of a reason why anyone would require a knife of any kind on a plane.
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As I understand them, the proposed rules would allow a small knife in your carry-on bag, but not in your pocket.

The main reason travellers want to bring a knife in their carry-on bag is that checking your bags has become expensive and even more of a hassle.

The proposed rule is a boon for those who would like to take a small knife to their destination and don't want to have to pay the now-exorbitant fee for a checked bag.

By the way, the proposed rule does not allow the 2.5-inch blades several people have already mentioned in this thread. The limit is 6 centimeters, which is about 2.36 inches. Until recently, I did not own any kind of knife that would qualify under the proposed rule.

ETA: Here is the TSA's own announcement, which links to a PDF that goes into more detail: http://www.tsa.gov/pil-sharpobjects
 
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