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Truthers and the FDNY

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RedIbis said:
It must be embarassing to be both wrong and obnoxious in the same post. You're about 36 posts late to the party.
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Oh look, RedIbis has once again carefully chosen his words so as not to be accused of being a liar!

Note that RedIbis has not claimed he has produced a single firefighter who claims to have seen a bomb, or who thought at the time it was a controlled demolition. He only claims I "am late to the party".

Yet another excample of dishonest asshattery by RedIbis, who couldn't make a factual claim if his liofe depended on it. Par for the course for truther actually.

So once again RedIbis: Name one firefighter at the scene who thought there were bombs going off who changed his mind later after being told what to think.

You have certainly not answered this yet, and I really doubt you will. So I won't be holding my breath, but I will keep holding you accountable.
 
RedIbis said:
My bold to remind you that this is a skeptic's forum, where belief is irrelevant. Unadulterated, immediate reports of what was heard, felt and seen is what's important.
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This, btw, is the post "36 posts ago" in which RedIbis claims he answered the question.

As everyone can see, RedIbis didn't answer the question at all and is being completely dishonest.
 
For reference, this is the sound of a REAL Controlled Demolition:



Such a sound would be heard--and felt--by everyone miles around, and recorded by every audio recording device and seismograph in the area. Not just a handful of people saying that they might have heard a sound which one might describe as the sound of a bomb.
 
WildCat said:
As everyone can see, RedIbis didn't answer the question at all and is being completely dishonest.
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Speaking of which, here's another whopper I think deserves reposting in this thread:
RedIbis said:
Most of the accounts are not figurative at all, but literal descriptions of what they saw and heard. It is this specificity that you are trying to get people to avoid.
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I defy RedIbis to present testimony from any firefighter in which they literally describe experiencing a bomb or explosive on 9/11.
 
RedIbis said:
My bold to remind you that this is a skeptic's forum, where belief is irrelevant. Unadulterated, immediate reports of what was heard, felt and seen is what's important.
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And of course Red refuses to explain what caused this supposed gap between what these firefighters believe happened and what he's implying actually happened, all the while denying it was either stupidity or complicity, even though those are the only viable options.
 
johnny karate said:
And of course Red refuses to explain what caused this supposed gap between what these firefighters believe happened and what he's implying actually happened, all the while denying it was either stupidity or complicity, even though those are the only viable options.
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It's not my responsibility to continue to explain to you what the false choice fallacy is. I don't put people on ignore, as it's easy enough to just avoid posters you don't wish to engage; however, I will no longer respond to your posts in which you whine about something that I've already explained.
 
Red, is Daniel Nigro in on it, an incompetent sheeple, or a hero? If this is a false choice fallacy, explain the other choice(s).
 
RedIbis said:
It's not my responsibility to continue to explain to you what the false choice fallacy is. I don't put people on ignore, as it's easy enough to just avoid posters you don't wish to engage; however, I will no longer respond to your posts in which you whine about something that I've already explained.
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A false choice fallacy requires an alternative different from the ones already presented. You've yet to provide one. Ignore me all you want. It won't make your silly lies any less silly, or any more true.
 
dtugg said:
Red, is Daniel Nigro in on it, an incompetent sheeple, or a hero? If this is a false choice fallacy, explain the other choice(s).
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Oh, he won't be doing that. He just likes to type the words "false choice fallacy". It makes him feel smart.
 
RedIbis said:
What?
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This ain't rocket science, ace.

From Wikipedia:
The informal fallacy of false dilemma (also called false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy) involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are other options.
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You need to present those other options in order for your claim of "false choice fallacy" to be true. Unless you are able to do so your "false choice fallacy" claim is actually a "false statement fallacy".
 
RedIbis said:
It's not my responsibility to continue to explain to you what the false choice fallacy is. I don't put people on ignore, as it's easy enough to just avoid posters you don't wish to engage; however, I will no longer respond to your posts in which you whine about something that I've already explained.
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RedIbis said:
What?
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Oh looky here! The fabled RedIbis flys back to this thread and once again manages to avoid his greatest threat, answering a simple question!

Once again RedIbis: Name one firefighter at the scene who thought there were bombs going off who changed his mind later after being told what to think.

Watch the RedIbis use his favored survival trait, avoiding a direct answer to a simple question! Fly away RedIbis! :rolleyes:
 
has anyone found out who silverstein talked to when he made the famous "pull it" quote??? im just wondering what that firefighter has to say about that conversation. i cant find a name anywhere yet and ive looked pretty hard.
 
Senenmut said:
has anyone found out who silverstein talked to when he made the famous "pull it" quote??? im just wondering what that firefighter has to say about that conversation. i cant find a name anywhere yet and ive looked pretty hard.
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Silverstein made that claim, not the FDNY. Ask him.
 
WildCat said:
Once again RedIbis: Name one firefighter at the scene who thought there were bombs going off who changed his mind later after being told what to think.
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You insist on framing the question in a most obnoxious way. First, I already posted the quote of a firefighter who described what he saw and heard as bombs and explosions.

What you have failed to do is show me where he later changed his mind. Therefore, his initial report stands.
 
Hey Red, if you were a firefighter and you thought bombs were going off in the WTC and you still believed that would you just keep quiet about it forever? Would you simply be OK with the fact that 3,000 people including 343 of your brothers are dead?

Oh, and is Daniel Nigro in on it, an incompetent sheeple, or a hero?
 
RedIbis said:
You insist on framing the question in a most obnoxious way. First, I already posted the quote of a firefighter who described what he saw and heard as bombs and explosions.

What you have failed to do is show me where he later changed his mind. Therefore, his initial report stands.
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His report where he didn't actually say he thought he experienced bombs still stands? I agree. Along with all the other firefighters who reported not experiencing bombs. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
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