Truth Movement Report From Nico Haupt

[JihadJane]

I think you are equating those who support the establishment with those who defend reality.

Read my post again. You think wrong!

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Do you know or care how many people have died at the hands of Islamic terrorists?

Many truthers don't even believe that it's Islamic terrorists, after all... OBL is part of the CIA according to them.

 

[Drudgewire]

I see. You believe in that too. Very interesting. I thought you lot were sceptics.

We are. Skeptics go where the evidence takes them, without pre-conceived bias, and leaving the door open to any new evidence as long as it's sound and can stand up to strict scrutiny.

In other words, the exact opposite of being a truther.

 

[JihadJane]

Do you know or care how many people have died at the hands of Islamic terrorists?

I care but I don't know the numbers. Do you? I imagine you do... I have seen them. This is a seperate issue.

Do you know or care how many have been killed, maimed and displaced by the phoney "War on Terror"?

 

[CptColumbo]

Read my post again. You think wrong!

Not sure what your message is here, Walter Ego.

This is what happens to nearly all anti-establishment political groupings, particularly those subject to infiltration. Those of you with Big Daddy, a subservient media and the biggest military/intelligence machine in the world on your side probably don't undertsand the stresses involved in challenging consensus reality. Try it some day!

There's war on. It's not a game.

bolding mine

Nope, still seems to be that you are getting the defenders of logic and reason confused with those who belong to the establishment. Not an uncommon mistake made by those who are unable to defend their own version of reality.

 

[JihadJane]

We are. Skeptics go where the evidence takes them, without pre-conceived bias, and leaving the door open to any new evidence as long as it's sound and can stand up to strict scrutiny.

In other words, the exact opposite of being a truther.

So you believe that the Anglo/US alliance really is waging a global war against terrorism? That's what the evidence tells you?

I can understand people not believing the Inside Job stuff but I'm surprised that there are people who still believe, for example, that the US and the UK attacked and destroyed Iraq in order to fight terrorism, or because of 911 or 7/7.

The "911 Truth Movement" may be in disarray and defeated (I don't actually know whether it is or not) but don't confuse winning (or losing) with being right.

 

[johnny karate]

So you believe that the Anglo/US alliance really is waging a global war against terrorism? That's what the evidence tells you?

I can understand people not believing the Inside Job stuff but I'm surprised that there are people who still believe, for example, that the US and the UK attacked and destroyed Iraq in order to fight terrorism, or because of 911 or 7/7.

The "911 Truth Movement" may be in disarray and defeated (I don't actually know whether it is or not) but don't confuse winning (or losing) with being right.

This particular forum is about 9/11 Conspiracies. Take your grandstanding to Politics.

 

[Drudgewire]

I can understand people not believing the Inside Job stuff but I'm surprised that there are people who still believe, for example, that the US and the UK attacked and destroyed Iraq in order to fight terrorism, or because of 911 or 7/7.

The "911 Truth Movement" may be in disarray and defeated (I don't actually know whether it is or not) but don't confuse winning (or losing) with being right.

If you have a problem with the war on terror, we have a politics section. This concerns the humorously ironically named "9/11 truth movement," and is on a skeptic's forum where "how can you believe that?" doesn't qualify as evidence.

 

[JihadJane]

This is a separate issue from the OP. If I get yelled at for derailing the thread... [qimg]http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/fist4su.gif[/qimg]

What is the topic of this thread? Telling each other what a bunch of morons all the 911 twoofers are and that they'll all bananas, they wrong and we're right, yippety doo da?!

BTW Drudgewire - I don't know what "OP" means.

 

[Drudgewire]

What is the topic of this thread? Telling each other what a bunch of morons all the 911 twoofers are and that they'll all bananas, they wrong and we're right, yippety doo da?!

Read rule 11 of your membership agreement. If that's what the thread is about, that's what topic should be adhered to. If you want to talk about something else, start a new thread or at least don't continue to derail the current one.

BTW Drudgewire - I don't know what "OP" means.

"Original post."

 

[JihadJane]

johnny karate:

This particular forum is about 9/11 Conspiracies. Take your grandstanding to Politics.

To my mind the topic "911 Conspiracies" is intensely political. Perhaps we should all decamp to Politics.

If you have a problem with the war on terror, we have a politics section. This concerns the humorously ironically named "9/11 truth movement," and is on a skeptic's forum where "how can you believe that?" doesn't qualify as evidence

Read rule 11 of your membership agreement.

The way I understand world events 911 and the "War on Terror" are inseperably linked and I find it a funny kind of scepticism that falls for the transparent terror-hype garbage. However I do not want to spoil your freak-pointing party so I will hold my peace for a while and observe.

Only for a while though so get busy with your morons while you can!

"Original post." [qimg]http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/eng101.gif[/qimg][/QUOTE]

Thanks cool:blush).

 

[Drudgewire]

The way I understand world events 911 and the "War on Terror" are inseperably linked and I find it a funny kind of scepticism that falls for the transparent terror-hype garbage.

So the ends justify the means? "I know in my heart the administration fudged the truth in order to invade Iraq, and it disgusts me so much I'm going to do the exact same thing regarding the actual attacks on the Pentagon and the Towers."

Spend a few days here. Lots of us despise Bush and the "war on terror." It doesn't make the lies promoted by "truth movement" one iota less full of crap.

 

[JihadJane]

So the ends justify the means? "I know in my heart the administration fudged the truth in order to invade Iraq, and it disgusts me so much I'm going to do the exact same thing regarding the actual attacks on the Pentagon and the Towers."

Spend a few days here. Lots of us despise Bush and the "war on terror." It doesn't make the lies promoted by "truth movement" one iota less full of crap.

That's good to know. Thanks.

I have already spent at least two weeks here and have noticed a fondness for making up little quotes and putting them into other people's minds and mouths. {Shut up, Disbelief, I'll fix it in a minute!} (None of my understanding of 911 is based on "the Pentagon and the Towers", btw)

To my mind, as you can probably guess, 911 was deliberately staged to enable and justify the attack on Iraq and a string of similar, unjustifiable violence, wherever the latest "terrorists" happen to live in geostrategically useful places, to follow. That's why I ask about the consequences of these US atrocities abroad. The 911 lie is a warmonger's lie. I understand that that does not fit in with your perception of reality.

Bye for now, get back to your morons.

 

[applecorped]

That's good to know. Thanks.

I have already spent at least two weeks here and have noticed a fondness for making up little quotes and putting them into other people's minds and mouths. {Shut up, Disbelief, I'll fix it in a minute!} (None of my understanding of 911 is based on "the Pentagon and the Towers", btw)

To my mind, as you can probably guess, 911 was deliberately staged to enable and justify the attack on Iraq and a string of similar, unjustifiable violence, wherever the latest "terrorists" happen to live in geostrategically useful places, to follow. That's why I ask about the consequences of these US atrocities abroad. The 911 lie is a warmonger's lie. I understand that that does not fit in with your perception of reality.

Bye for now, get back to your morons.

Evidence?

 

[dudalb]

Evidence?

I think the quote I posted from Jane shows she thinks you do not need evidence if you have "political understanding".

BTW this is pretty much straight Marxist woo. You see a lot of it when Marxists try to explain away the total failure of Marxism in practice.

 

[beachnut]

To my mind, as you can probably guess, 911 was deliberately staged to enable and justify the attack on Iraq...

Bye for now, get back to your morons.

Yes, this is why they put so many Saudis on the Planes! Do you apply the same logic to all your pursuits. I wonder why UBL and his group take credit? How can you make so many errors on 9/11.

 

[CptColumbo]

(None of my understanding of 911 is based on "the Pentagon and the Towers", btw)

Is it based on knowledge of Star Wars technology and/or LEGOs™?

 

[Walter Ego]

Guess that makes skewing reality to promote your opposition to it completely justified. And you wonder why the anti-war movement is disgusted by you guys, and why it's easy to make the comparison between twoofers and Holocaust deniers.

Now this is ironic. I've voted democrat since I was eligible to vote, was out protesting the Iraq invasion before it happened (see photo below), and think George W. Bush is the worse thing that’s happened to this country since Richard Nixon, but because I don’t swallow 9/11 ‘truth,’ I’m some kind of neo-con and media controlled shill.

9/11 ‘truth’ is poison for the left and the anti-war movement and thank God for most of the so-called left ‘gatekeepers’ who realize that fact.

(Btw, there were at least a hundred or more people at that anti-war demonstration in Savannah. The local truthers have never been able to get more than four… and always the same four.. at any of their ‘street actions.’)

 

[Travis]

To my mind, as you can probably guess, 911 was deliberately staged to enable and justify the attack on Iraq

So in your world the US can never attack Iraq without something like 9/11? Ever hear of Operation Desert Fox?

and a string of similar, unjustifiable violence,

Such as?

wherever the latest "terrorists" happen to live in geostrategically useful places, to follow.

Yes, Afghanistan is so useful......if your use for it is to spend lots of money to keep troops in one of the most logistically challenging places in the world with no natural resources anyone might want.

That's why I ask about the consequences of these US atrocities abroad.

You have yet to establish the existence of any atrocities so speculating on the consequences of the non-existent is rather pointless.

The 911 lie is a warmonger's lie.

You apparently don't know what a warmonger is or what its like to be burdened with living under one.

I understand that that does not fit in with your perception of reality.

I prefer realities that are substantiated by evidence, but to each their own.

Bye for now, get back to your morons.

How can we if you leave?

 

[deep]

Interesting report (with gossip) on the current state of the Truth Movement from no planer Nico Haupt. This is from the inside so some of the references might be a tad obscure to non-truthers.

Wow, such a credible source - it must be true.