Truth about Denmark?

[Aardvark_DK]

[Slavery] means you are forced to work without pay. If you are forced to work but are only alllowed to keep 25 percent of the fruits of your productivity then you are a 75 percent slave.

Actually slavery entails more than that but, hey, that's details.

The Danish people have decided that they want to pay for certain things through taxes just like Americans have - although Americans have decided to decided to pay for fewer things through their taxes. Do you think that Americans are slaves? Do you think that America is a socialist country?

I suppose that it could be argued that Denmark is more socialist than America, but both countries are very far removed from pure socialism.


PS. Why don't you learn to use the quote-feature properly? Just a suggestion.


edited for tyops

 

[FalsePerception]

Darn it I was having FUN!!!!!

you europeans were supposed to be indignant and
and insult america the same way I insulted europe.

LOADS of fun!!!

your loss.

I hope no one took my pervious stereotypical message seriously!

 

[Earthborn]

Just like the Institution of Slavery in pre-civil war US. Perfectly legal; and instituted by politicains elected by the "people".

The main point is that the institution of slavery was not instituted by politicians elected by the same people who were made to be slaves. With Taxation it is different: the same people who pay for the taxes get some say in how much taxes are raised and on what it is spend on.

So far you only challenge semantics. Socialist health care? Socialist education? Socialist pensions? Socialist welfare? Sociialized productivity? But not socialist? If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc....

Did you know that in the city of Hasselt in Belgium, you even have socialized public transportation. That means, you get in the bus and pay absolutely nothing! Everything is payed for by municipal taxation.

And it is SOOOOO cool! Getting around the city absolutely free, it just feels like the way it should be. Mind you: busses in the Soviet Union were never totally free!

Darn it I was having FUN!!!!!

you europeans were supposed to be indignant and
and insult america the same way I insulted europe.

LOADS of fun!!!

your loss.

I hope no one took my pervious stereotypical message seriously!

Well, you fahrenheit-using, aluminum-saying, gun-toting, moronic-climate-treaty-refusing sod! Okay, that's it! We are kicking you out of the Western World. We are officially now referring to the US as 'That barbaric wilderness East of Russia'

Something like that?

 

[LW]

OH no not the GERMANS again, didn`t they learn their lesson the last time WE kicked their ass.

Oh, I didn't realize that you are Russian.

(Yeah, I know, feeding the trolls and everything.)

 

[Megalodon]

Oh, I didn't realize that you are Russian.

(Yeah, I know, feeding the trolls and everything.)

Are you trying to imply that the americans didn't won WW2 alone and with a arm behind their back??

 

[Ove]

Are you trying to imply that the americans didn't won WW2 alone and with a arm behind their back??

Off course not, we know that Ronald Reagan singlehanded kicked the nazi's all the way to Berlin.

Earthborn: You are right but you are speaking for deaf ears, Rouser2 just don't know what democracy is all about.

Diezel: Allways a pleasure to educate you ignorant Americans about the "real" world.

 

[a_unique_person]

It was? By whom?

>>It may have been considered unjust, but where does the slavery part come in? Do you understand what "slavery" means? <<

Yeah. It means you are forced to work without pay. If you are forced to work but are only alllowed to keep 25 percent of the fruits of your productivity then you are a 75 percent slave. Get it?

So, if I was to live in a country with no taxes, then I would just accumulate all my money for the rest of my life! Cool, I'm moving there.

 

[FalsePerception]

I`m NOT A TROLL!!!!!!

I`m just having a little fun!

trolls are usually the mean nasty type that actually
believe the stuff they write. They will agure a ignorant
point endlessly, and never give an inch of ground,

I wrote that pervious nonsense to start a little
innocent nation bashing. LOADS OF fun!!!!

You people are too serious

I forgot skeptics forum!

(but do skeptics have to be humorless?)

Poor humor I guess???

 

[Ove]

(but do skeptics have to be humorless?)

No that is a false perception..................Badabooooom
I think, if you actually read the reply, you'll find that you was answered the same way you asked. The "Prügelknabe" in this thread is Rouser 2 but he's used to it.

 

[Rouser2]

>>Health care, pensions and welfare are not socialist, but humanistic.<<


Humanistic or not, they are socialist.


>> I don't know where you have the idea that education in Denmark is "socialist". <<

The student does not pay. The nation pools its funds for the purpose of "free" education. That's socialist.

>>Productivity? It is illegal for the state to compete with the private sector. Wrong there, buddy.<<

If it is legal for the state to confiscate 75% of a person's productivity, that is more that "competitiion, but downright theft.


>>But a 1% slave is still a slave? Where is the limit to when people are slaves or not? <<



A 1% confiscation leaves a worker 99% "free".

 

[Rouser2]

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there public schools in America? That is, schools that you pay for through taxes?


Unfortunately, yes.

 

[Rouser2]

>>The Danish people have decided that they want to pay for certain things through taxes just like Americans have - although Americans have decided to decided to pay for fewer things through their taxes. Do you think that Americans are slaves?<<


Partially, yes.

>> Do you think that America is a socialist country?<<

Partially, yes. Not quite as socialist as Denmark, though.

 

[iain]

Originally posted by Rouser2 >>Health care, pensions and welfare are not socialist, but humanistic.<<

Humanistic or not, they are socialist.

>> I don't know where you have the idea that education in Denmark is "socialist". <<

The student does not pay. The nation pools its funds for the purpose of "free" education. That's socialist.

From what I've seen on this forum, the European and US definitions of socialist are simply not the same, so please stop arguing about whether something is "socialist". I'm quite happy to accept that Europe is generally socialist by the definition Rouser2 and other US posters have used. I hope they can understand that this is not the definition of socialism commonly used in Europe.

 

[Diezel]

Diezel: Diezel, you know you are always welcome. You are also welcome not to participate. I promise, whatever your choice, even crawling back to the Banter section to play King of the Hill, we still love you.

Nah, I thought I might come out of retirement and show everyone why I became the king.

 

[Rouser2]

>>The main point is that the institution of slavery was not instituted by politicians elected by the same people who were made to be slaves. With Taxation it is different: the same people who pay for the taxes get some say in how much taxes are raised and on what it is spend on.<<


"Some say" is correct. But by and large, the non-producers and the government drones outnumber the producers in the private sector. So effectively, the tyranny of the great unwashed majority of looters prevails, thus re-creating a genuine slavery class -- otherwise known as the "middle" class.

>>Did you know that in the city of Hasselt in Belgium, you even have socialized public transportation. That means, you get in the bus and pay absolutely nothing! Everything is payed for by municipal taxation.>>

Yeah, just like the "free" libraries in America. Really great to get something for nothing. The trick is to hide the theft so cleverly that few know or understand the true cost. If the citizens of Hasselt knew exactly what that "free" bus service cost them each year, they might not be so happy with the service.


>>And it is SOOOOO cool! Getting around the city absolutely free, it just feels like the way it should be. Mind you: busses in the Soviet Union were never totally free! <<


I recommend a book by Milton Freidman to you entitled "There is No Such a Thing as a "Free" Lunch." That goes for bus service, too.

 

[Rouser2]

>>So, if I was to live in a country with no taxes, then I would just accumulate all my money for the rest of my life! Cool, I'm moving there. <<


There was a time when that country was the USA.

 

[iain]

Originally posted by Rouser2 >>So, if I was to live in a country with no taxes, then I would just accumulate all my money for the rest of my life! Cool, I'm moving there. <<

There was a time when that country was the USA.

But it should be noted that the USA was a small (population-wise) insignificant country at the time. The USA only became a world-class economy after they got taxation (and taxation has, I believe, increased over time along with the US's power in the world).

 

[Diezel]

But it should be noted that the USA was a small (population-wise) insignificant country at the time. The USA only became a world-class economy after they got taxation (and taxation has, I believe, increased over time along with the US's power in the world).

True and not true. Rouser is wrong that the US had a period of time that there were no taxes. Well, that' s not really true either. There was the short period after the Revolutionary War and before the Constitution and the formation of the government as you see it now. This period was ruled under the Articles of Confederation and the only power of tax the government held was on postage. The experiment was such a dismal failure, a large minority, getting close to a majority, wanted to bow our heads to the UK and ask for forgiveness.

Once the current system was put into place, there was most definitly taxing going on - but there was no income tax. The first income tax on Americans was instituted in 1913. Few could say that the US was a small, insignificant country at that time.

 

[Ladewig]

you fahrenheit-using, aluminum-saying, gun-toting, moronic-climate-treaty-refusing sod!

Should we assume you meant "moronic, climate-treaty-refusing sod" or did you mean that Kyoto was a moronic climate treaty? I do like "fahrenheit-using." Well played. I would have added "can't-find-your-own-country-on-a-map."

 

[Mike B.]

Isn't it true that the Mercator Projection maps that hang on walls around the world are simply a Danish plot to make Greenland look really really big?!