Truth about Denmark?

[Nitpick]

Anyways, not to hijack the thread, but how did the 90% of the Jewish Danes escape?

--J.D.

From The Danish Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies :
Quote:

The Danish Jews were lucky. The large majority of them survived World War II, unlike the 6 million Jews that lost their life around Europe during the Nazi terror regime.

7,500 Jews from Denmark reached safety in Sweden in October 1943, when the Nazis decided that the turn had come to the Danish Jews.
Only around one hundred Danish Jews perished.

And here's another link

And yet another one

(yes, Google )

 

[Brooklyn Dodger]

I would like to return to the "child porn" issue. It's said now that there isn't any, or at least that it is illegal. I think that the reason that there is a perception that there is child porn permitted might be a difference in legal age for photography of nude models and models for sexual acts.

In the US, the legal age is 18. I understand that the age permitted in Denmark is 16. That, if true, leads to a problem on the internet. Perfectly legal photographs in Denmark would be illegal if taken or downloaded in the US.

Is this true? If it is was true but is no longer true, when was it changed?

 

[mbp]

This is another thing about the Danes, we LOVE to whine about the high taxes.

There is some truth in that. We don't hold too many world records so it's a useful topic if you want to "impress" foreigners
But believe me. I would LOVE not to have any high taxes to complain about.

I work 37 hrs/week as does my wife. I am a test engineer and she is second in charge in a kindergarten. Our wages are average (ca 200 000 DKkr /year each) I own my own house (well some of it) i have a car (Suzuki Liana) 4 TV's two Pc's DVD-VCR-CableTV etc

Nice.
I live alone. I earn well above the average. I don't own a house. My car is an old wreck. Neither of those things are going to change in the foreseeable future. (Well, the old wreck might fall apart I suppose.)
When I was studying I thought that people who earn as much as I do now were very well off. Now I know better.
Oh, well. At least I have something to complain about, which is what I really want


A "fun" thing about our efficient government. Using only the information given in your profile I was able to find your address and the official public valuation of your house! It took less than a minute. In a way that's really neat, but I also find it a bit unsettling.
I wonder how much information a person with my CPR number and access to the right government computer system might be able to obtain. It must be a lot.
I don't think we should abolish those systems, but having a bit of chaos isn't always just a bad thing. It can also be seen as a way of protecting privacy.

 

[mbp]

In the US, the legal age is 18. I understand that the age permitted in Denmark is 16. That, if true, leads to a problem on the internet. Perfectly legal photographs in Denmark would be illegal if taken or downloaded in the US.

Is this true? If it is was true but is no longer true, when was it changed?

No, it's not true.
The legal age in Denmark is 15.
But it's illegal to produce, sell or possess pornography involving people under 18.
You can legally buy pornography when you're 16. But you're not allowed to be in it.

 

[Brooklyn Dodger]

No, it's not true.
The legal age in Denmark is 15.
But it's illegal to produce, sell or possess pornography involving people under 18.
You can legally buy pornography when you're 16. But you're not allowed to be in it.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Aardvark_DK]

You can legally buy pornography when you're 16. But you're not allowed to be in it.

You have to be 16 to buy porn? I'm pretty sure there's no age limit. Pretty sure verging on certain.

 

[mbp]

You have to be 16 to buy porn? I'm pretty sure there's no age limit. Pretty sure verging on certain.

In a way you are right, but in a more real way I'm right
The exact text from the law is:

§ 234. Den, som sælger utugtige billeder eller genstande til en person under 16 år, straffes med bøde.

Roughly translated: "He who sells obscene/immoral pictures or object to a person under 16 years of age, is punished with a fine".
So in a way you could say that it's legal to buy porn when you're under 16 - it just isn't legal for anyone to sell it to you.

 

[mbp]

Re: one thing about the US

I really think Denmark sounds great. And a lot of people would agree that not letting in the rabble to share in this lifestyle is one way of protecting it.
But, the US does something it rarely gets credit for. We let in a lot of immigrants.

Is that true? How many pr. year? How are they chosen?
I couldn't just go to the US if I wanted to (except for a short visit). I'd need a work permit or something similar. And even if I got that - which isn't a trivial thing - there's no guarantee that I'd be allowed to stay indefinitely.
Would it really be easier for me to emmigrate to the US than it would for you to emmigrate here? I'm not so sure.


Edited to add:

There is a lot of flack about how many people we let in and then for goodness sake let them become full citizens ( a lot of the EU will let people in, but out they go once they are not needed to fill jobs).

I don't know about the rest of the EU, but in Denmark you can usually become a citizen if you've lived here (legally) for seven years. I seem to remember that five years are required in the US. (right?)
Not that different, is it?

 

[Rouser2]

>>Yes, it's expensive, but also very, very good... <<


Funny how so many Danes seem to prefer to live elsewhere than their native socialist paradise. Nothing wrong with allegience to your mother country, but word has it, that there is indeed something rotten in the State of Denmark in that...

"Four percent of the population is now costing 34 percent of the Danish social budget, and elderly Danes who paid a lifetime of the highest taxes in the world are being squeezed out of the medical and other benefits they expected. There is something rotten in Denmark. America should make sure that we don't make the same mistakes, either at home or in "nation-building" in other lands."


http://www.mugu.com/pipermail/upstream-list/2001-February/001289.html

 

[Aardvark_DK]

Roughly translated: "He who sells obscene/immoral pictures or object to a person under 16 years of age, is punished with a fine".
So in a way you could say that it's legal to buy porn when you're under 16 - it just isn't legal for anyone to sell it to you.

Wow! I'd no idea. I certainly never had a problem buying porn mags when I were younger than 16. And the owner of the video store where I used to work never told me that I wasn't allowed to sell porn movies to minors (not that I recall any minors trying to buy'em).

 

[Aardvark_DK]

"Four percent of the population is now costing 34 percent of the Danish social budget, and elderly Danes who paid a lifetime of the highest taxes in the world are being squeezed out of the medical and other benefits they expected."

Ok, two points I'd like to make:

a) Bollocks.

b) Well, I don't need a b) 'cause the a) was so great.

 

[Mike B.]

Prince Amled. Read Saxo Grammaticus.

Thanks for the link Claus...I suppose the story made its way to Britain from Viking invasions and Shakespeare and others were well familiar with it. I guess he thought he would update it for his audience.

 

[CFLarsen]

Rouser2!!! Where you been, buddy?? Sick with something that could have been cured by a simple vaccine...??

Funny how so many Danes seem to prefer to live elsewhere than their native socialist paradise. Nothing wrong with allegience to your mother country, but word has it, that there is indeed something rotten in the State of Denmark in that...

Wrong again. Denmark is neither 'socialist', nor is it losing Danes in a major way. I could ask you to back up your claims with evidence, but I know that you are allergic to evidence.

There is only one 'vaccine' against that, and that is skepticism. Try it - you might like it.

"Four percent of the population is now costing 34 percent of the Danish social budget, and elderly Danes who paid a lifetime of the highest taxes in the world are being squeezed out of the medical and other benefits they expected. There is something rotten in Denmark. America should make sure that we don't make the same mistakes, either at home or in "nation-building" in other lands."

http://www.mugu.com/pipermail/upstream-list/2001-February/001289.html

Phyllis Schlafly? You got to be kiddin' me, Rouser2....have you been taking too many vaccines lately??

 

[Earthborn]

2. While the US may....(what's the word so often used on these boards for "expressing a differing opinion", oh yes, I remember)...whine about the low military spending in Europe, I'm not sure what the US opinion really is regarding having the EU create a military presence matching that of the US.

Looking at the reluctance to accept the european navigation system Galileo...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/020514-gps.htm
http://www.marinecomputer.com/articles/ONnewsletters/onnl010.html
I'd say they would be pretty worried when Europe would build an army to match the US's. And remember: Europe is a lot more populous than the US. If we would use as much taxes per taxpayer on the military as the US, we could seriously kick their butts!

"Not complying with the Kyoto protocol? Bombs away!"

Quite often, on a worldwide scale, Denmark is confused with the Netherlands. And what do we see on this thread titled "Truth about Denmark"? An overflow of posts regarding food, shopping, sex, etc. of....(drumroll)....the Netherlands! Aaaaargh!

What? Denmark isn't the capital of the Netherlands? Learning something new everyday...

Four percent of the population is now costing 34 percent of the Danish social budget

Since a social security system is a safety net meant for those who can't get enough money on their own, by definition a minority of the population uses a majority of the budget. That's how it works!
Nobody complains that only sick or injured people get money from a health care insurance, do they?

 

[FalsePerception]

I'd say they would be pretty worried when Europe would build an army to match the US's. And remember: Europe is a lot more populous than the US. If we would use as much taxes per taxpayer on the military as the US, we could seriously kick their butts!

HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA HAHA

Oh yes the united states would have much to fear from a full sized
european army.

OH NO HERE COMES THE ITALIANS , AND WORSE YET THE ELITE FRENCH ARMY!!!!!!!

ROFL

OH no not the GERMANS again, didn`t they learn their lesson the last time WE kicked their ass.

OH denmark has an army I didn`t know that, how cute OH yes we can`t forget the might of the polish, and the infamous spanish armada England what about England??? England is America's BITCH!

Rest of Europe? more of the same.

(No worries russia is not part of europe!!!!)



Result of the American European "war" : Europeans learn yet another lesson in humility! (note first it was never really a war because it took the united states about 1 week to WIN)

terms of european full and unconditional (as well as humiliating )surrender :

1. France will chance it's name to America Land!!!!!!

2. All europeans will be required to recite the plege of alligence hourly!!!!

3. Europeans will be allowed only one party: the Amercia is great party

4. It will be manditory for all europeans to speak english and only english.

5. Upon meeting a american: A european must bow on one knee and Say: I salute my better!!!!!!!

6. Europeans must demilitarize WAIT who cares it's not like the europeans were a threat when they had a military

7. All europeans must always place an American flag above their own.

8. Europe must pay restitution for being jerks all these years

9. Europe must formally acknowlege the Superiority of the United States.

10. The American European "war" will formally be called the Second European enlightenment



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NO NO NO americans are not arrogant it when it comes to their military!

(that was fun hope no one takes it personally.... Even though obviously everything said is true!!!!)

 

[CFLarsen]

FalsePerception,

I have to admit that I will have to recant my previous criticism of the American educational standard.

I have never seen a diaper-carrying toddler being able to hit the keys with such accuracy!!

 

[Ladewig]

STRAIGHT SEX
GAY SEX
LESBIAN SEX
PAIN SEX
PEEING SEX
ANIMAL SEX
CHILD SEX
OTHER SEX

Cocker read the list a couple of times, and then said to Debartolio: "Gee, I wonder what 'Other Sex' is!"

I'm told that many pornography stores have serarate sections for pregnant sex, goth sex, amputee sex, transexual sex, inter-racial sex, vintage pornography, amature pornography, obese sex, celebrity sex, Spam sex (okay, I made that one up), tickle sex, costume sex (mmmmm Wonder Woman), or even fur suit sex (dressing up in plush animal costumes for sex (now that is one kinky fetish)).

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy" ... and if we are very lucky, we won't see photos of all those things.



As for those Dutch pastries, just ignore them. Remember we are talking about a country that combined miniskirts and bicycles [BEAVIS] he, he-he, he-he[/BEAVIS].

 

[Ove]

Ok, two points I'd like to make:

a) Bollocks.

b) Well, I don't need a b) 'cause the a) was so great.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Never been to the Aldi, have you?

I have and i agree with you 100%

I'm told that many pornography stores have serarate sections for pregnant sex, goth sex, amputee sex, transexual sex, inter-racial sex, vintage pornography, amature pornography, obese sex, celebrity sex, Spam sex (okay, I made that one up), tickle sex, costume sex (mmmmm Wonder Woman), or even fur suit sex (dressing up in plush animal costumes for sex (now that is one kinky fetish)).

How about Leather/latex/rubber, or infantilism now THAT's kinky.

 

[Rouser2]

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>>Wrong again. Denmark is neither 'socialist', nor is it losing Danes in a major way. I could ask you to back up your claims with evidence, but I know that you are allergic to evidence.<<


Not socialist? Do you call 75% confiscation of one's productivity "Freedom"??? In the middle ages, when the serfs had to forfeit 30% of their crop, that was considered slavery. Denmark has free health care, free education, free free-loading, free pensions, free welfare but not much real freedom. Perhaps that has something to do with your own defection? What happens to someone who does not want to voluntarily participate in the confiscation of 75% of his productivity?

 

[CFLarsen]

Not socialist? Do you call 75% confiscation of one's productivity "Freedom"??? In the middle ages, when the serfs had to forfeit 30% of their crop, that was considered slavery. Denmark has free health care, free education, free free-loading, free pensions, free welfare but not much real freedom. Perhaps that has something to do with your own defection? What happens to someone who does not want to voluntarily participate in the confiscation of 75% of his productivity?

It isn't 'confiscation'. It's taxes. Decided by politicians. Elected by people.

Had you an inkling of knowledge about Denmark, you would not say such rubbish.

And, even if it is none of your damn business, taxes had nothing to do with my moving to the US.

"Voluntarily"? It's the law, baby. What happens to you if you do not want to voluntarily obey the law?

Man, I missed you, Rouser2. You are such fun.