Trump's Second Term

[Reformed Offlian]

Sorry, I don't have a clue what it's really called, or how it's done, and that's why I asked.

I was mocking the idea that Iran would actually bother to remove the mines afterwards.

 

[Darat]

Trump really must be bewildered, this is totally outside his experience. He is the epitome of a member of the comfortable class, throughout his lifetime he learnt that when he screws up it is other people that sort out his messes, and he walks away leaving his ◊◊◊◊ behind him, until now.

 

[The Atheist]

I don't know if it's been posted yet, but I saw someone make this comment today:

In an ideal world the world's stupidest man and POTUS should be two different people.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

If there is a negotiated peace with Iran, it will be China being the negotiator, not the US

 

[Andy_Ross]

It seems the UK has rejected sending any ships to the straits but may send mine countermeasures ships to clear the straits if they are mined

 

[Andy_Ross]

Why isn't Donald asking his Board of Peace members to help?

 

[Andy_Ross]

I bet Qatar are thinking that $400 million luxury jet was a good investment.

 

[AmyStrange]

I was mocking the idea that Iran would actually bother to remove the mines afterwards.

Well, I guess if they don't ever plan to use that strait again, there would be no reason to remove them.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Trump: We’re talking to them. I don’t know that I want to make a deal. Nobody even knows who you are dealing with because most of their leadership has been killed. So, I don’t even know if I want to make a deal. They want to make a deal badly.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2033342679543939482

I thought 'making deals badly' was his schtick?

 

[jimbob]

Well, I guess if they don't ever plan to use that strait again, there would be no reason to remove them.

If the regime falls, it's a lingering harm that they wouldn't care about. If the regime survives, well, the gulf states and the US would need to reopen the Strait anyway, so let them pay

 

[Andy_Ross]

Starmer begins his Downing Street speech by setting out how the UK is responding to the war in Iran.

He says the country has clear and constant objectives and the first priority is to protect "our people in the region".

Starmer continues by saying the UK will not be drawn into the wider war.

He adds that the UK will keep working on a swift resolution to stop the Iranian threat.

Starmer says UK 'working with allies' on plan for Strait of Hormuz after Trump call - follow live

Donald Trump has said it would be "very bad for the future of Nato" if allies don't help secure the critical waterway for global oil shipping.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Jack by the hedge]

If some third party managed to obtain a ceasefire commitment from Iran, do we suppose Trump would accept it?

We don't even know yet if his war aims include regime change. He's demanding allies sign a blank cheque, joining in his adventure with no idea where they're going. "Come and suppress Iranian attacks while we continue attacking them. It'll all be over when I decide what counts as over."

 

[Flo]

I thought 'making deals badly' was his schtick?

problem is that not everybody understand or agree with his idea of a deal as "lie down and do as I want!"

 

[Flo]

If some third party managed to obtain a ceasefire commitment from Iran, do we suppose Trump would accept it?

We don't even know yet if his war aims include regime change. He's demanding allies sign a blank cheque, joining in his adventure with no idea where they're going. "Come and suppress Iranian attacks while we continue attacking them. It'll all be over when I decide what counts as over."

War aims ? What about war aims ? Don't you know that, as the world's hegemon, the USA has a divine right to tell everybody what to do without ever having to give any reason for it ?

 

[jimbob]

War aims ? What about war aims ? Don't you know that, as the world's hegemon, the USA has a divine right to tell everybody what to do without ever having to give any reason for it ?

Yes but even if the rest of the world accepted that. They still would need to know what the senile fool thinks he wants

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Yes but even if the rest of the world accepted that. They still would need to know what the senile fool thinks he wants

The most honest answer is probably "Worship and Tribute"

 

[Garrison]

Trump on Strait of Hormuz: "Really, I'm demanding that these countries come in and protect their own territory, because it is their territory ... you could make the case that maybe we shouldn't be there at all, because we don't need it. We have a lot of oil."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2033335208376775000

Lots of people made that case, but then someone mentioned Epstein again and here we are...

 

[Nessie]

The narcissistic man baby that Americans have twice elected to be their president, is presently destroying NATO and international relations with Europe, whilst blaming Europe.

 

[TragicMonkey]

The narcissistic man baby that Americans have twice elected to be their president, is presently destroying NATO and international relations with Europe, whilst blaming Europe.

Give him more credit, he's been destroying NATO and international relations with Europe long before this Iran business!

 

[Nessie]

Only seriously thick, deluded people think that they can belittle, ridicule and bully, and then ask for help.