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Trump's Second Term

Not a good example. WW I was initially an internal European conflict having nothing to do with the US. It wasn't until German U-boats began attacking and sinking US merchant ships in an effort to stem food and raw material being sent to the UK that the US declared war. Again, the war was also not "already almost won" by the Allies before the US entered.
 
Not a good example. WW I was initially an internal European conflict having nothing to do with the US. It wasn't until German U-boats began attacking and sinking US merchant ships in an effort to stem food and raw material being sent to the UK that the US declared war. Again, the war was also not "already almost won" by the Allies before the US entered.
Those make it seem more like a good analogy to the current US situation.

And I would say that the situation in 1917 before the entry of the US was worse for Germany than 1941 was before the entry of the US
 
Not a good example. WW I was initially an internal European conflict having nothing to do with the US. It wasn't until German U-boats began attacking and sinking US merchant ships in an effort to stem food and raw material being sent to the UK that the US declared war. Again, the war was also not "already almost won" by the Allies before the US entered.
That's inaccurate to say the least. The final trigger for US entry into the war was the Zimmerman telegram and as far a unlimited submarine warfare goes the Germans had tried it previously and been warned off by the USA. Their decision to resume USW despite prior warnings primed things so when the telegram was intercepted a US declaration of war was all but inevitable. Much like WW2 it took time for the USA to gear up for war and the bulk of the fighting during the decisive battles were fought mainly by the French and British. If the war had lasted until 1919, as most people expected, then the US contribution would have been the decisive factor, though if the war went on that long I suspect the Entente would have fought their way to Berlin.
 
Not a good example. WW I was initially an internal European conflict having nothing to do with the US. It wasn't until German U-boats began attacking and sinking US merchant ships in an effort to stem food and raw material being sent to the UK that the US declared war. Again, the war was also not "already almost won" by the Allies before the US entered.
And Germany made US entry certain with the fiasco of the Zimmerman Telegram.........
 
Those make it seem more like a good analogy to the current US situation.

And I would say that the situation in 1917 before the entry of the US was worse for Germany than 1941 was before the entry of the US

That's inaccurate to say the least. The final trigger for US entry into the war was the Zimmerman telegram and as far a unlimited submarine warfare goes the Germans had tried it previously and been warned off by the USA. Their decision to resume USW despite prior warnings primed things so when the telegram was intercepted a US declaration of war was all but inevitable. Much like WW2 it took time for the USA to gear up for war and the bulk of the fighting during the decisive battles were fought mainly by the French and British. If the war had lasted until 1919, as most people expected, then the US contribution would have been the decisive factor, though if the war went on that long I suspect the Entente would have fought their way to Berlin.
Seems to me that if the US had not entered the war, Germany would have been in a very good position with the collapse of Russia allowing it to shift troops to the Western From from the Eastern front.\But that is a discussiion for another forum.
 
That's inaccurate to say the least. The final trigger for US entry into the war was the Zimmerman telegram and as far a unlimited submarine warfare goes the Germans had tried it previously and been warned off by the USA. Their decision to resume USW despite prior warnings primed things so when the telegram was intercepted a US declaration of war was all but inevitable. Much like WW2 it took time for the USA to gear up for war and the bulk of the fighting during the decisive battles were fought mainly by the French and British. If the war had lasted until 1919, as most people expected, then the US contribution would have been the decisive factor, though if the war went on that long I suspect the Entente would have fought their way to Berlin.
How is stating that U-boats were attacking and sinking US merchant ships "inaccurate to say the least"? Not mentioning the Zimmerman telegram does not make that fact "inaccurate". I also didn't mention the turning tide of public opinion after the sinking of the Lusitania. I wanted to make a simple correction, not give a lengthy, detailed history lesson.

Again, the idea that the US only entered when the 'war was already won' in 1942 and 1917 is what I was responding to.
 
Not a good example. WW I was initially an internal European conflict having nothing to do with the US. It wasn't until German U-boats began attacking and sinking US merchant ships in an effort to stem food and raw material being sent to the UK that the US declared war. Again, the war was also not "already almost won" by the Allies before the US entered.
Yes it was.
 
Seems to me that if the US had not entered the war, Germany would have been in a very good position with the collapse of Russia allowing it to shift troops to the Western From from the Eastern front.\But that is a discussiion for another forum.
They did shift troops.
It didn't help.
They tried a big push but it ran out of steam as they ran out of munitions and food.
Their collapse was rapid and catastrophic.
 
They did shift troops.
It didn't help.
They tried a big push but it ran out of steam as they ran out of munitions and food.
Their collapse was rapid and catastrophic.
By that time the economic blockade had really hit. The British had realised modern warfare was more than the battlefield, but perhaps more importantly was the fiscal field (I just made that up).

This is something iran has realised and the US seems to have forgotten. Iran can't defeat the US, but they can make it a Pyrrhic victory.
 
Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
Short term oil prices, which will drop rapidly when the destruction of the Iran nuclear threat is over, is a very small price to pay for U.S.A., and World, Safety and Peace. ONLY FOOLS WOULD THINK DIFFERENTLY!

President DJT
 
Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
Short term oil prices, which will drop rapidly when the destruction of the Iran nuclear threat is over, is a very small price to pay for U.S.A., and World, Safety and Peace. ONLY FOOLS WOULD THINK DIFFERENTLY!

President DJT
Well at least we're out of the damn Biden's economy ! I hope ..
 
Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
Short term oil prices, which will drop rapidly when the destruction of the Iran nuclear threat is over, is a very small price to pay for U.S.A., and World, Safety and Peace. ONLY FOOLS WOULD THINK DIFFERENTLY!
People get rich and healthy by delaying gratification. Trump knows that better than anyone. Short-term pain for long-term gain makes perfect sense. It worked for the tariffs. And it will keep on working for the people who need it the most -- namely, the poor and lower middle-class.
 

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