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Trump's Second Term

UN speech

Trump: Well, at the UN we had a problem with the teleprompter. We had another problem that nobody has actually talked about. The people in the room didn't hear my speech. Did you know that? They didn't have any loudspeakers and they didn't hear my speech, and I thought I made a really good speech. I mean, considering I didn't have the use of a teleprompter, which is unusual, but I made a speech.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1975307129494843649
 
steenkh said:
For once, I listened to the clip, and I disappointed that Trump doesn't say this at all. Is that typical? Are these quotes fake?
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I listened to it, too, then. I'd rate what he said as being roughly on par with the quote, intelligence-wise, so I'm okay with filing it under simple mockery. There are parts of it that sounded even less coherent than the blurb, though, and far less true. With that said, the blurb is indeed not the words actually spoken, which would be be a problem for anyone seriously trying to attribute that blurb as an actual Trump quote.
 
Aridas said:
I listened to it, too, then. I'd rate what he said as being roughly on par with the quote, intelligence-wise, so I'm okay with filing it under simple mockery. There are parts of it that sounded even less coherent than the blurb, though, and far less true. With that said, the blurb is indeed not the words actually spoken, which would be be a problem for anyone seriously trying to attribute that blurb as an actual Trump quote.
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I was ready to send the quote (not the video: I try not to support X) to friends, but I thought the quote represented such stupidity that I just had to double-check. The problem with the blurb is that this makes me question all of the other quotes that I have sent to my friends over the past months. In other words, I feel let down, also because I regard myself as a skeptic who should have checked before I took them to be true.
 
steenkh said:
I was ready to send the quote (not the video: I try not to support X) to friends, but I thought the quote represented such stupidity that I just had to double-check. The problem with the blurb is that this makes me question all of the other quotes that I have sent to my friends over the past months. In other words, I feel let down, also because I regard myself as a skeptic who should have checked before I took them to be true.
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You are being a bit precious. Mockery is what Trump hates, and this was pure mockery. His actual comments made as much sense as those attributed to him.

And get used to mockery, he is making less sense each passing day.
 
lionking said:
You are being a bit precious. Mockery is what Trump hates, and this was pure mockery. His actual comments made as much sense as those attributed to him.

And get used to mockery, he is making less sense each passing day.
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It's a fine line, I often post mock Trumpese speals, but I don't accompany them with clips. From a purely pragmatic point of view, as with incriminating AI 'photographs' it allows his defenders to claim everything is a lie.
 
steenkh said:
I was ready to send the quote (not the video: I try not to support X) to friends, but I thought the quote represented such stupidity that I just had to double-check. The problem with the blurb is that this makes me question all of the other quotes that I have sent to my friends over the past months. In other words, I feel let down, also because I regard myself as a skeptic who should have checked before I took them to be true.
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I've had to check quite a few times, it's probably been 50/50 that it was what he said or some parody, it really is hard to tell these days.
 
lionking said:
You are being a bit precious. Mockery is what Trump hates, and this was pure mockery. His actual comments made as much sense as those attributed to him.
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If his actual comments made as much sense, then his words can stand alone. Presenting mockery as actual quotes just maskes one a liar.
 
It was accompanied by a clip. It's obviously a parody of his speaking style.

If it was presented as an actual quote there wouldn't have been a clip.

Thr reason for posting a link and clip is so you can check for yourself.

It is good that you are checking before passing it on.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
It's a fine line, I often post mock Trumpese speals, but I don't accompany them with clips. From a purely pragmatic point of view, as with incriminating AI 'photographs' it allows his defenders to claim everything is a lie.
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I think that's the problem, even if it shouldn't be as much as it is. It presents an easy way for those defenders to dismiss anything from you as another lie, a convenient opening for "you see, they all do it."

Of course in the end it's probably a losing battle anyway. The worst among us know the best will try to stay above their level, and use it to their advantage, at least in the short term, and the difference probably comes down to whether you can sincerely give the firing squad the finger, but oh well, it's something.
 
Andy_Ross said:
It was accompanied by a clip. It's obviously a parody of his speaking style.
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Why was the comment added "What the ◊◊◊◊ is he talking about"? He wasn't talking about this.
Andy_Ross said:
If it was presented as an actual quote there wouldn't have been a clip.
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Really? That means that all those clips that you have posted are parody? You also prefaced the quote with "Donald says".
Andy_Ross said:
Thr reason for posting a link and clip is so you can check for yourself.

It is good that you are checking before passing it on.
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Yes, I have to face the fact that the real Donald Trump is much more sane than I have thought for a while, and if a quote puts him in a bad light, it is probably the quote that is fake.
 
At the base in Norfolk, some sailors were fans of this president. Others were not.

He made one hell of an entrance, landing in Marine One on the deck of an aircraft carrier while the theme song from “Top Gun” blared. A squadron of fighter jets flew low overhead in a tight formation as he spoke his first words — “God bless the United States Navy”— and the troops roared with delight.

“I think he’s a great president,” said Josie Reyna, a 25-year-old aviation boatswain’s mate from Wyoming. Asked what she thought about Trump sending the National Guard into cities over the weekend, she replied, “I mean, I know that he just wants to do what’s right.”

Just then, a 37-year-old sailor named Ruben Reed who works in the Navy’s public affairs department, which helped stage the event, appeared and flashed her a warning look. After that, Reed shadowed me through the crowd, monitoring the young members of the Navy as they tried to communicate what they thought of Trump without sounding too wildly partisan. Even though their commander in chief had brought politics onto the pier, they knew they were not supposed to talk the way he does.

Megan Rush, a 26-year-old from Lafayette, La., who works as an electrician on aircraft carriers, said she had come out to the pier because she’d never seen a president before. What does she make of this one?

“Ummmmm,” she said, pausing for a moment. “I don’t know what to say.”

Reed piped up. “Are you happy to be here?” he asked, rhetorically.

“I’m happy to be here supporting the Navy,” Rush said pointedly.

“It’s OK to support the president,” Reed said slowly. “Its OK to support your president, Donald Trump.”
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Shawn McCreesh NYT
 
Andy_Ross said:
It was accompanied by a clip. It's obviously a parody of his speaking style.
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Sadly, given many previous examples, it is not at all obvious.


If it was presented as an actual quote there wouldn't have been a clip.

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That's bollocks, because your very next post had a quote, and a clip of him saying it.


Andy_Ross said:
UN speech

Trump: Well, at the UN we had a problem with the teleprompter. We had another problem that nobody has actually talked about. The people in the room didn't hear my speech. Did you know that? They didn't have any loudspeakers and they didn't hear my speech, and I thought I made a really good speech. I mean, considering I didn't have the use of a teleprompter, which is unusual, but I made a speech.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1975307129494843649
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My point is there's a clip and link for you to see for yourself.

Obviously posting Donald parody is too fraught with difficulty when his actual utterances look and sound like parody themselves
 
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