Trump's Second Term

[P.J. Denyer]

I took his "250 years in this term" to mean the 250th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence in 2026. But from Herr Schitler, it could mean that he intends to live another 250 years and rule the whole time.

Well Leto II transformed into a huge fat worm and ruled for millennia, so he's half way there.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

I think Kennedy is the most legit guy in the Trump administration and am kind of interested in seeing what he comes up with. I wonder what source I would have to follow to see. I probably would have voted for him over late prez Biden

 

[dirtywick]

unfortunately he may be the most legit guy

but spoiler alert, what he’s going to come up with is the corpses of mostly children and the elderly. and the immune compromised too

 

[Resume]

Now they're pushing it through in OK:

https://oklahomavoice.com/2025/04/29/new-academic-standards-set-to-pass-after-lack-of-vote-from-oklahoma-legislature/

Including the notion that the 2020 election was 'stolen.'

Yeah.

The new curriculum includes a section that requires students to "analyze contemporary turning points of 21st-century American society." That requirement includes the following:

Identify discrepancies in 2020 elections results by looking at graphs and other information, including the sudden halting of ballot-counting in select cities in key battleground states, the security risks of mail-in balloting, sudden batch dumps, an unforeseen record number of voters, and the unprecedented contradiction of “bellwether county” trends.

In March, Walters said the purpose of this section was to teach "students to think for themselves" and "not be spoon-fed left-wing propaganda." According to Walters, there are "legitimate concerns" about the integrity of the 2020 election that were "raised by millions of Americans in 2020."

Walters is wrong. There are no "discrepancies" in the 2020 election results that validate the claims of Trump and his allies that the results were fraudulent. The new curriculum is simply an amalgamation of unsupported claims.

There was no "sudden halting" of ballot counting in key states. The counting took an extended period in some states because election officials were legally prohibited from counting early ballots in advance. Mail-in balloting is safe and secure. Large increases in vote totals ("batch dumps") happen in every election, impact both parties, and are not a sign of fraud. Record turnout in 2020 was not "unforeseen" — it was due to increased engagement related to the pandemic and other factors. And traditional "bellwether" counties are now more conservative than the nation as a whole.

 

[Resume]

unfortunately he may be the most legit guy

but spoiler alert, what he’s going to come up with is the corpses of mostly children and the elderly. and the immune compromised too

Yeah he's legit, legitimately ◊◊◊◊◊◊ in the head.

 

[dirtywick]

Yeah he's legit, legitimately ◊◊◊◊◊◊ in the head.

these guys are all either crazy or white supremacists or both

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Trump phones into News Nation, is asked about his recent actions WRT Harvard, goes into a rant about Haram which he sort of pivots to (black) people in Haram rioted because they're on his side about Harvard. Sorry, but if this doesn't make sense it's because I've reported it accurately.

Good. The more unhinged he gets, the more likely it is that news of his derangedness will reach the cultists in their information silos.

Him dropping dead would work, too, of course.

 

[Segnosaur]

Good. The more unhinged he gets, the more likely it is that news of his derangedness will reach the cultists in their information silos.

Him dropping dead would work, too, of course.

Problem with him dropping dead is that he then becomes a martyr for the cause, someone that some new-wave fascist can get the MAGAchud to rally around.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Problem with him dropping dead is that he then becomes a martyr for the cause, someone that some new-wave fascist can get the MAGAchud to rally around.

As far as I understand, cults tend to disintegrate when their leader dies. None of the cronies who come after King Dump have the charisma he does (not to us, of course, to the MAGA cult). Vance is just a weirdo and he's second in line. The people are souring on president Musk, and he claims to be growing tired of the presidency already anyways. A lot of the flunkies he's put in government are incompetent weirdoes, too. There is a possibility that approval ratings will plummet once the Führer-toddler is dead.

 

[shemp]

Good. The more unhinged he gets, the more likely it is that news of his derangedness will reach the cultists in their information silos.

Him dropping dead would work, too, of course.

They're just as unhinged as him.

 

[dudalb]

Says who? The Federal government is handing over their education entirely to their home states. If they're taught instead to love their state, what business will it be of yours?

The states have always had control of education . The Feds role was limited to giving states money and making recommendations. A state was free to ignore any Department of Education recommdndations if they chose to do so.
Not trying to defend Trump, whom I despise with a passion, but the Federal government has always had a secondary role in education.

 

[dudalb]

Seriously, if it was possible to get honest, serious, good-faith answers out of them I'd start a new thread for Dump supporters to answer if they had reconsidered their support for him and how they felt about all these new developments.


I really, really hope the silk gloves come off after this administration. Not in a violent way (before the usual pearl clutchers start deliberately misunderstanding), but in the same way Germany was de-nazified after WWII. Everyone guilty of breaking laws in support of this administration need to face justice. Preferrably, the people advocating for breaking laws, ignoring judges, or violating the Constitution should face punishments for that, too. Otherwise the US will just have a Drumpf 2.0 down the road.

Problem is h ow to do that without becoming as bad as Trump.
Or Authoratarism is OK is the Left does it?

 

[JayUtah]

Trump-appointed federal judge rejects use of Alien Enemies Act in Venezuelan deportations

The ruling was the first time a judge weighed in on the merits of Trump's invocation of the wartime authority granted in 1798.

www.nbcnews.com

Federal judge appointed by Trump says he has abused the Alien Enemies Act and cannot deport alleged members of a foreign gang based on a dubious declaration of an "invasion". No further deportations of this nature may take place.

Some welcome good news.

However, we need to be careful. The judge's opinion ultimately sides with the petitioners and prevents their deportation currently under the AEA. But the chapter and verse of the opinion contain a mixed blessing.

In deciding which parts of the statute and of the President's proclamation are justiciable, the judge rules that a lot of it isn't. The goalposts are pretty close together. It comes down to statutory construction of the language defining the purported invasion and the language defining the purported nature of the invaders.

Taking the second part first, Judge Rodriguez doesn't give us what we had hoped for. Some of us have long believed that "foreign nation or government" cannot refer to Tren de Aragua (TdA) because it's a gang and not a nation or government. The judge declines to rule on whether Pres. Trump's proclamation declaring the TdA is under the constructive control of Venezuelan President Maduro is proper. Indeed, he alludes to an earlier section where he ponders whether a court may test the factual basis of an executive's finding. "Foreign nation or government" remains legally murky, and this may resurface.

The crux of Judge Rodriguez' opinion is his originalist analysis of "invasion or predatory incursion," which he finds was originally meant as a term of art for a military operation. Because he basis his order on this, he doesn't need to go on to analyze the "foreign nation or government" portion of the statute. While the judge's reasoning is sound enough, it will suffer on appeal from the same inherent flaw that all originalist reasoning exhibits. You can cherry-pick history one way to support one conclusion, but someone else can cherry-pick it in the opposite way to support exactly the opposite.

Or, of course, the Supreme Court could just up and decide that this is one of those times when originalism is bollocks and, say, invent some whole new theory that applies separation of powers and says that the President can just keep doing whatever he wants regardless of precedent. Judge Rodriguez does hang his hat partially on an opinion from the infamous Judge Ho of the Fifth Circuit regarding the justiciability of executive actions such as those contemplated in the AEA. Judge Ho doesn't always fare well at the Supreme Court.

 

[dudalb]

JFC. It just doesn't stop. The ◊◊◊◊ is rolling downhill and the ball is getting bigger and smellier every second.

Oklahoma might actually haver replaced Texas as the most backward state in the Union.

 

[Aridas]

The states have always had control of education . The Feds role was limited to giving states money and making recommendations. A state was free to ignore any Department of Education recommdndations if they chose to do so.
Not trying to defend Trump, whom I despise with a passion, but the Federal government has always had a secondary role in education.

And? What's at hand is more...

Step 1: Trump Admin arbitrarily and capriciously removed their leverage over state education without cause or condition.
Step 2: Trump Admin then proclaims that they're going to force states to do things their way.

See any problems brewing here?

Problem is h ow to do that without becoming as bad as Trump.
Or Authoratarism is OK is the Left does it?

Enforcing the law shouldn't be controversial. As for dealing with those advocating for breaking laws? That's a bit more situational, depending on the specifics. Social consequences should happen, for example, but those aren't something that government can force.

 

[Resume]

Oklahoma might actually haver replaced Texas as the most backward state in the Union.

Oklahoma and Arkansas are competing for that title, but Missouri is a dark horse.

 

[Trebuchet]

The states have always had control of education . The Feds role was limited to giving states money and making recommendations. A state was free to ignore any Department of Education recommdndations if they chose to do so.
Not trying to defend Trump, whom I despise with a passion, but the Federal government has always had a secondary role in education.

If anything, Trump's Federal Government will increase the federal role in education, probably by Executive Order demanding the teaching of creationism and false history. Then going after schools in blue states, up to and including jailing teachers.

 

[kookbreaker]

And just because he can: Trump ends a Federal program trying to keep raw sewage from leaking into Alabama people's homes. The problem was so bad 1 person in 3 in the region has intestinal parasites.

The Trump admin called the program "illegal DEI"

Trump shut down program to end human waste backing into Alabama homes, calling it 'illegal DEI'

A $26 million federal program to help residents of Lowndes County, Alabama, who have dealt with inadequate sewage systems for decades was stopped by an executive order.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Resume]

And just because he can: Trump ends a Federal program trying to keep raw sewage from leaking into Alabama people's homes. The problem was so bad 1 person in 3 in the region has intestinal parasites.

The Trump admin called the program "illegal DEI"

Trump shut down program to end human waste backing into Alabama homes, calling it 'illegal DEI'

A $26 million federal program to help residents of Lowndes County, Alabama, who have dealt with inadequate sewage systems for decades was stopped by an executive order.

www.nbcnews.com

I just read about this. There isn't much to say beyond this administration is corrupt and cruel; they revel in it.

 

[bruto]

As far as I understand, cults tend to disintegrate when their leader dies. None of the cronies who come after King Dump have the charisma he does (not to us, of course, to the MAGA cult). Vance is just a weirdo and he's second in line. The people are souring on president Musk, and he claims to be growing tired of the presidency already anyways. A lot of the flunkies he's put in government are incompetent weirdoes, too. There is a possibility that approval ratings will plummet once the Führer-toddler is dead.

Only if the death is natural, and preferably so natural that nobody can come up with conspiracy theories about some bizarre secret assassination. I think if he babbles on his accelerating course toward total dementia and hallucinatory black-is-white fantasy, his reign will end, and when his minions can no longer bask in his inexplicable aura and their seams start to show, we can hope people will blink and wonder what they thought they saw in them.