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Trump's Second Term

Andy_Ross said:
Trump signed a pardon for all the Jan 6 criminals

"So this is January 6. And these are the hostages. Approximately 1,500 for a pardon. Full pardon."

REPORTER: Are you commuting the sentences of anyone who assaulted a police officer on January 6? Should there be punishment for the people who assaulted law enforcement officers?
TRUMP: Well I will say this, they've been in jail for a long time already
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Most Americans oppose this, which according to sir-drinks-a-lot’s rules of democracy, proves that Trump is anti-democracy.

Probably wasn’t the smartest move for a Trump supporter to say that democracy is when you “let the people have what they want”. Only took about an hour to blow up in his face.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
I'm wondering what percentage like Hitler you guys think the following are:
JD Vance
Donald Trump
Elon Musk

Please answer with a percentage between 1-99 for each of the above. (100% like Hitler is reserved, of course, for Hitler)
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Sure, JD: 10% (he's more like Goebbels) Musk: 40% (evil, but not much of a leader) Trump: 60% (he will of course lie about it and say he really got 99%)

I realize you are trying to be funny (and failing miserably) with your use of hyperbole, but IMHO it does invite serious commentary. If you knew anything at all about Hitler/Nazi Germany you would certainly know that Hitler did not start the 'ovens burning' on day 1--it took a long time, and even when they were burning it is debatable how he got to the point of 'turning them on'--it wasn't until years later his direct involvement was revealed. He never publicly announced the 'Final Solution'. In that way, Trump shares a trait with his role model--he practices 'plausible deniability' with every insane statement he makes. When he declares he is 'dictator'--it is always just a joke--until it is no longer a joke. And over the years his disgusting behavior gets normalized and the latest despicable act doesn't seem as bad as the previous ramping up of hundreds of despicable acts...because we are numbed to it.

Take the 'nazi salute'--a handful of people are alarmed by seeing Musk do it--but we have already seen Trump himself do it a number of times, and certainly it has been ubiquitous at his rallies that are filled with Neo Nazis. So if the MSM never found much to fault about it then--why should they now?

I have never said "Trump is Hitler" because obviously he is not, and honestly I think he is too old and in too sharp a mental decline to even reach the depravity of Hitler. BUT--make no mistake, he shares enough of the sociopathic traits of a HItler that I would not be at all surprised if he ventured into true psychopathic territory. And his actions (or inactions) could potentially be more damaging to humanity than anything Hitler accomplished. The destruction of the entire planet via ignoring the "hoax" of climate change, for example. Or calling the next 90% fatal virus some other stupid ethnic slur and arguing it will go away if we just drink some more of the Trump Kool Aid.

So, while I am sure you are feeling smug by calling out what you view as the absurdity of HItler comparisons, I would argue that you are the frog in the pot of water, slowly being boiled alive. And once you are dead, it won't do any good for us to say "told you so"
 
The thing about the Godwin arguments, is that they are supposed to be about ridiculous comparisons to the Nazis/Hitler. Example, "Oh, so you're a vegetarian. You know who else was a vegetarian?" I would even accept that the comparisons between Musk and Henry Ford and Werner Von Braun were a meant to be jokey and that nobody actually should take them seriously.

But in recent years, he seems to be deadly serious about supporting any European political party on the right, such as AfD, and the Austrian party that ran on a "thy will be done..." slogan, with the "thy kingdom come." actually translating as Reich.

Now he does this at the inauguration? At this point, Musk does not deserve the benefit of the doubt. I have no idea if he just finds it funny, or if he is happy to string along fascists. But this was deliberate, and anyone should be bothered by this unless they are already fascist.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Might be due for a reread.
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No doubt anyone can reread good books, but right now you haven't made any substantive points and maybe are not capable.

That said, you can read the discussion I began about Burke and Paine on the French Revolution. You might learn something:

Who was right about the French Revolution? Burke, Paine or someone else?

I was quite ignorant about the French Revolution so I decided to do a bit of reading on the subject. First of all I read a simple history called “The French Revolution” by Christopher Hibbert in which he states clearly, at the beginning that he has no interest in examining the ideas of the...
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Trump on Gaza: It has to be rebuilt in a different way… Gaza is interesting. It's a phenomenal location. On the sea. The best weather. Some beautiful things could be done with it.
 
He's signed an executive order "relating to holding former government officials accountable for unlawful disclosure of sensitive information"
 
REPORTER: How confident are you that you can keep the ceasefire in Gaza?

TRUMP: I'm not confident. That's not our war. It's their war
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
But if you value democracy then you should let the people have what they want. And an overwhelming majority want to get rid of illegal immigrants.
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Is the majority opinion invioluble, so that any attempt by the minority to convince the majority to change their opinion is anti-democratic?

As has been pointed out many times in many places, the USA is not a democracy but rather is a democratic republic. The people get the leaders they want rather than necessarily what they want.
 
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