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Trump's Second Term

Dr.Sid said:
Srsly, what would American do in Iran ?
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Hundreds of Americans have fled Iran and others face difficulties leaving as Trump weighs US military action

Hundreds of Americans have fled Iran as the conflict with Israel has escalated, an internal State Department report said.

The detail in the Friday situation report underscores that US citizens in Iran are at risk as President Donald Trump weighs US military action.

The exact number of Americans in Iran is not known, and the State Department does not require US citizens to register their presence abroad.

Unlike in Israel, where the US is working to establish transportation options out of the country for the estimated hundreds of thousands of Americans there, no such options are available for US citizens in Iran. The US does not have a diplomatic presence there.

“We do not anticipate offering direct US government assisted departure from Iran,” State Department spokesperson Tammy Bruce noted at a press briefing Friday.

The situation report described some Americans facing difficulties leaving Iran.

“Security alerts also note Americans seeking to depart should be prepared to encounter checkpoints and questioning from authorities,” it states. “Numerous US citizens have described delays and harassment along their exit route.“

It also notes that two Americans were reportedly detained while attempting to depart the country.
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Minoosh said:
I heard a kid once say the Irish had been treated just as badly as, or worse than, anybody else. Though I didn't quite agree - you couldn't outright buy an Irish person, to my knowledge - the more I learned, the more I saw his point.

The weird thing about Homo sapiens - that tribal instinct is absolutely baked in, but so, apparently, is cooperation.
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The Irish was never treated the worst in the US. Or even close to the worst. And nothing my ancestors endured was likely close to how terribly Latino immigrants have been treated.

But that isn't to say that the WASPS were particularly happy with all those poor Irish Catholics inundating America's shores. There were definitely signs on stores and newspaper advertisements that said "Irish need not apply."
 
Minoosh said:
And the whole point of the doomsday machine is lost if you keep it a secret. ...

If not for Israel, Iran would have to create a new boogyman, for domestic reasons. They KNOW this, they're just addicted to trolling the US.

It seems to me that when I was a kid, the headlines generally spoke of the "Arab-Israeli" conflict. I didn't hear it framed as Muslim vs. Jew, or Muslim vs. the West, until later. The first kind of conflict is territorial; in theory, such conflicts can be resolved. When reframed as an ideological dispute, it becomes unresolvable; and in a way, this suits hard-liners on both (or all) sides to a T.

I'm just guessing, but I think Iran supports Hamas largely to signal (false) solidarity with the Sunni Arab world. Without Israel, there would likely be an uptick in sectarian violence.

Khamenei and Trump deserve each other. They're both trolls. Israel, however, is not trolling. Poor Trump. How is he going to get his Nobel prize if he has to bomb Iran? For all my visceral disgust with Trump, I kind of like that he is not especially hawkish. I liked GWB on immigration but invading Iraq was ... just about the most boneheaded thing he could have done.
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Iran is Shia and not Arab (neither ethnically nor linguistically), so they don't have any intent on showing solidarity with Sunni Arabs. Shia are an oppressed minority throughout most of the Islamic world, Iran is the only significant Shia majority state. Al Qaeda, ISIS have actively attacked Iran and Shias. Hezbollah was a Shia militia formed from self defence groups against Sunni (and christian) groups. Shia muslim groups lived in southern Lebanon, when Israel invaded Lebanon in response to Sunni Palestinian acts, the Shia population were badly affected (including by massacres carried out by Israeli proxy forces) The occupied part of Lebanon was predominantly Shia, so Hezbollah was formed from disparate Shia organisations to become a unified resistance organisation fighting to free Lebanon from Israeli occupation. Iran supported them as co-religionists, and as an anti-colonial movement.

The relationship with Hamas a Sunni organisation is different. Historically Iran under the Shah / US hegemony was allied with Israel. The US and Israel supported the Shah and thus were opposed to the Iranian revolution and the overthrow of the dictatorship imposed on Iran when the US overthrew the democratically elected Iranian government. Philosophically the Iranian revolution had an anti-colonial element, and the struggle of the Palestinian people was seen as an anti-colonial struggle, and the support for the Palestinian resistance is thus a political not a religious issue.

In theory it should be much easier to split Iran from Hamas than Hezbollah, In either case a political solution guaranteeing the freedom and security of Palestinians and Shia Lebanese would effectively end the need for Hamas and Hezbollah as military organisations.

Israel has provoked much sectarian violence, even including some support for ISIS, in particular supporting Christian militias in Lebanon who carried out massacres of Palestinians and Shias. Israel also has funded and armed sectarian terrorist groups in Iran. Israel has also supported Kurdish nationalist groups in Iraq and Syria. So I don't think there is a good case for Israel reducing sectarianism in the middle east.
 
One of the things The POSOTUS did the first time around was to used the MOAB - Mother Of All Bombs - against Iran (I think), just to show he could.
A mushroom cloud is sad compensation for a mushroom dick.
 
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
ANY RETALIATION BY IRAN AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL BE MET WITH FORCE FAR GREATER THAN WHAT WAS WITNESSED TONIGHT. THANK YOU! DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
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Donald's full statement

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
We have completed our very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran, including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan. All planes are now outside of Iran air space. A full payload of BOMBS was dropped on the primary site, Fordow. All planes are safely on their way home. Congratulations to our great American Warriors. There is not another military in the World that could have done this. NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE! Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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Does trump have the right to do something like this of his own accord? Some Republicans say no, that it should have been authorized by Congress or it shouldn't have happened..

Republican Representative Thomas Massie said that President Donald Trump's decision to bomb three nuclear sites in Iran is "unconstitutional" as the president faces stark division within his own party. Newsweek article link
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AOC thinks the bombing of Iran -- on trump's sole authority -- could get trump impeached.

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a New York Democrat, ripped President Donald Trump for his military attack against Iran on Saturday saying the move is "absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment." Newsweek article link
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