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Trump's Second Term

Andy Borowitz​


PALM BEACH—Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy suggested on Sunday that Donald J. Trump offer Russia “full sovereignty” over the state of Florida.

“If you are considering some kind of ‘land swap’ for peace, Florida should be on the table,” Zelenskyy said. “With Florida, you have cards.”
Explaining his rationale for a Russian annexation of the Sunshine State, Zelenskyy said, “There are already so many Russian-speaking people there, especially the oligarchs and criminals around Mar-a-Lago.”
Speaking from the Kremlin, Vladimir Putin said he would “consider” an offer of Florida, but only if it did not include ownership of Ron DeSantis.
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steenkh said:
And what did he want us to get from that? That where Trump won, Musk had rigged the vote-counting computers, but where Trump lost, somebody else had rigged them?
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idk the guy can’t keep his mouth shut about anything and barely makes sense. not sure what he’s talking about with many of his statements.
 
Donald is personally profiting off of holding meetings at his own private golf club.
That's why he wants them there.

TRUMP: President Zelenskyy walked in, he said 'This place is gorgeous!' I don't think he wants to go to the White House anymore. That's the problem.

ZELENSKYY: I'm ready to go to the White House.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2005402835853140440
 
Andy_Ross said:
Just submit, Putin would be happy to supply you with cheap oil and electricity.


Trump: "Russia wants to see Ukraine succeed. It sounds a little strange but President Putin was very generous in his feeling toward Ukraine succeeding, including supplying energy, electricity and other things at very low prices."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2005472877924225167
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Zelenskyy's just a Negative Nelly who assumes Putin doesn't have Ukraine's best interests at just because he bombs their cities, murders their people and kidnaps their children. With a bigotted attitude like that to deal with, no wonder Trump can't make a deal for their land peace.
 
Ziggurat said:
I'm quite confident about that, for multiple reasons. One, it's already happened, so it's not an escalation for it to keep happening. Two, the US doesn't have to pay for it. And three, we might even make money off it as countries which donate US planes to Ukraine may buy planes from the US to replace the ones in Ukraine.

The idea that Trump is in Putin's pocket has always been nonsense. His hesitancy to support the war isn't due to any actual sympathy to Putin, but simply a desire to not spend American resources on that war. I don't think I've ever heard him discouraging other countries from supporting Ukraine. In fact, he seems to be trying to push Europe to do exactly that.
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Again, if they can't, why not? If they don't have the production capacity for Ukraine to fight Russia, then they don't have the production capacity to defend themselves against Russia. And that's a big ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ problem that they need to solve.
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I am completely at a loss as to why the extreme right wing MAGA-cult continually looks at maps, and see huge swaths of land and think that somehow matters. They think it matters in democratic elections, they think it matters in geopolitics, and they seem to always think it matters when determining military strength and productivity.

I have no idea how many times I have to continually tell them:

Trees do not vote!
Trees do not fight wars!
Trees do not produce weapons, ammunition, or build infrastructure!

Europe has a bit less than 4 times the population of Russia! Europe is far more wealthy and far more productive. They are productive, not just simply because they have 400 million in population, but also PER CAPITA. A single European can produce more than a single Russian can. Europe also has superior technologies, and higher-quality products.

Another thing MAGA constantly does, going against reality, is to do the exact opposite of what should be done in order to save money and resources. They don't believe in "investments" which gives an even bigger return than what was previously spent. Which is why they don;t understand why trade imbalances can actually be good. American factories and warehouses, for example, will buy products and resources from other countries. On paper, that looks bad to the MAGA mind. In reality, that represents growth. American products are superior to Chinese products. Sure, we may purchase machine tools and raw resources from China. But 5 - 10 years down the road, Ford, or Chevy, or Dewalt, or Craftsman....what have you... will themselves, produce a lot of superior-quality machines, tools, clothing, etc, and turn a profit! But tariffs on foreign steel, plastics, or other resources will EAT INTO those profits!

There's a reason the United States was on top of the world but falling quickly fall every time we put an even worse, even further right wing chud into office starting with Reagan. Facts and evidence matter. Not "opinions." If your "opinion" is that eating nothing chocolate cake is good for you because you think chocolate cake tastes good, ignoring or denying the FACT that it isn't..... Your health is going to very quickly deteriorate.

Facts. Matter!

Just because you think that it is expensive now for us to supply Ukraine to fight against Russia, and withdrawing support is good for us, doesn't mean that it is. As long as Russia is occupied in this war, they are NOT fighting another war elsewhere, damaging yet another country. Or trying to attack NATO. By not allowing them to easily win this war, is far more damaging to them, than it is to Europe or North America. In other words, it's an investment now, to keep a dangerous nation contained so we don't have a complete mess down the road in 10 or 20 years from now.

The more Russia insists on continuing this mess, the harder and longer it will be for them to recover. And the older Putin gets. No. Putin isn't getting any younger. He's 73 years old. And there doesn't seem to be an effective extreme right wing successor that will be able to continue holding the line of rightwing Russian politics. There's Medvedev, but he's certainly no Putin.
 
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Nihilianth said:
Just because you think that it is expensive now for us to supply Ukraine to fight against Russia, and withdrawing support is good for us, doesn't mean that it is. As long as Russia is occupied in this war, they are NOT fighting another war elsewhere, damaging yet another country. Or trying to attack NATO. By not allowing them to easily win this war, is far more damaging to them, than it is to Europe or North America. In other words, it's an investment now, to keep a dangerous nation contained so we don't have a complete mess down the road in 10 or 20 years from now.
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Too complicated for the MAGA mind. They only seem to understand here and now. Also this investment still smacks too much of doing something good for another party, which is a pointless undertaking to them.
 
Nihilianth said:
Europe has a bit less than 4 times the population of Russia! Europe is far more wealthy and far more productive. They are productive, not just simply because they have 400 million in population, but also PER CAPITA. A single European can produce more than a single Russian can. Europe also has superior technologies, and higher-quality products.
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You are quite correct. So why can't Europe defend itself?
Nihilianth said:
Just because you think that it is expensive now for us to supply Ukraine to fight against Russia, and withdrawing support is good for us, doesn't mean that it is. As long as Russia is occupied in this war, they are NOT fighting another war elsewhere, damaging yet another country. Or trying to attack NATO. By not allowing them to easily win this war, is far more damaging to them, than it is to Europe or North America. In other words, it's an investment now, to keep a dangerous nation contained so we don't have a complete mess down the road in 10 or 20 years from now.
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Now apply that logic to Europe. Why aren't they doing more to support Ukraine? Why don't they give Ukraine the weapons and money necessary to win? As you pointed out, Europe has the economic muscle to dominate Russia, if it should choose to do so. Why aren't they?
 
Ziggurat said:
You are quite correct. So why can't Europe defend itself?

Now apply that logic to Europe. Why aren't they doing more to support Ukraine? Why don't they give Ukraine the weapons and money necessary to win? As you pointed out, Europe has the economic muscle to dominate Russia, if it should choose to do so. Why aren't they?
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Europe can defend itself. Russia barely makes ground against Ukraine.

But the point is there's mutual defence benefit for both the USA and Europe in NATO
 
Ziggurat said:
You are quite correct. So why can't Europe defend itself?

Now apply that logic to Europe. Why aren't they doing more to support Ukraine? Why don't they give Ukraine the weapons and money necessary to win? As you pointed out, Europe has the economic muscle to dominate Russia, if it should choose to do so. Why aren't they?
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Because Europe was (is?) in an alliance that was based on the assumption that the production of weapons would be done mostly in the country that would not be invaded, and thus sent large parts of their defense budget to said country to produce those weapons at the cost of their own industries.
The assumption was that that country would not overnight become a puppet regime for their main enemy, which also has veto rights in said alliance.
For instance, most European nations were fine with part of that budget going to Tomahawk missiles to be given to Ukraine, but then Putin called the leader of said country and suddenly that plan was nixed.
 
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