Trump's Second Term

[TragicMonkey]

The real question is. Does anyone think Trump cares about the violence in Nigeria? I certainly don't. His strike on Nigeria is pure politics, war-mongering and distraction. He wants to be a war president and to distract from the Epstein files. Also, this could be a play to have the nation at war so he can cancel 2026 elections.

And it's entirely coincidence that this is the second oil-rich country Trump's launched attacks upon.

 

[smartcooky]

Where is the proof this strike did that exactly.

Correct, we don't have the evidence for or against

For all we know, they may have blown up a bunch of innocents in a rural village in northern Nigeria, not any "terrorists" at all.

Your evidence for this?

In fact, quite likely the whole village.

Your evidence for this?

Spear Head was a very targeted, limited operation

Please make sure you know what you're talking about.

"Spear Head" [sic] was a WW2 rapid deployment of forces plan, usually involving the US Army 3rd Armored Division (called the "Spearhead Division").

Its also a game mode in some computer games... have you bee playing a bit too much "Call of Duty"?

What you are referring to is Operation Neptune Spear

Operation Neptune Spear | National September 11 Memorial & Museum

www.911memorial.org

, with one person as a target.

They killed more than one target

- Obama bin Laden himself
- Khalid bin Laden (OBL's son)
- Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, (OBL's primary courier)
- Abrar al-Kuwaiti, aka Ibrahim Saheed Ahmed, aka Ahmed al-Kuwaiti (Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti's brother)
- Bushra (Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti's brother - her full name not recorded)

Seal Team Six did not even destroy the house.

Correct

This...was wanton destruction of some nebulous, unspecified target for the flimsiest of reasons. From the "peace prize" yoinking president.

Emotive claptrap. We have no evidence this was the case.

The only thing we do know for sure is that it was done in consultation with, and the permission of, the Nigerian government.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Correct, we don't have the evidence for or against

Well, your following questions will need answers, not presuppositions that "the right thing" has been done.

Your evidence for this?
Your evidence for this?

Northern Nigeria is mostly rural villages. The strike was massive. What do you think happened?

Please make sure you know what you're talking about.

"Spear Head" [sic] was a WW2 rapid deployment of forces plan, usually involving the US Army 3rd Armored Division (called the "Spearhead Division").

Its also a game mode in some computer games... have you bee playing a bit too much "Call of Duty"?

What you are referring to is Operation Neptune Spear

Operation Neptune Spear | National September 11 Memorial & Museum

www.911memorial.org

Thanks for the correction. Also, I don't game.

They killed more than one target

- Obama bin Laden himself
- Khalid bin Laden (OBL's son)
- Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, (OBL's primary courier)
- Abrar al-Kuwaiti, aka Ibrahim Saheed Ahmed, aka Ahmed al-Kuwaiti (Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti's brother)
- Bushra (Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti's brother - her full name not recorded)

A handful of people in one specific location. And did not use missiles.

Emotive claptrap. We have no evidence this was the case.

When it comes to just maybe killing people you hate, even if there is no proof this happened, you sound just like Hegseth...

The only thing we do know for sure is that it was done in consultation with, and the permission of, the Nigerian government.

With a gun to their head, no doubt.

 

[Mojo]

The paranoia is strong in this one.

Yes, it is.

Edited. Didn't realise you meant thaiboxerken.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Well, your following questions will need answers, not presuppositions that "the right thing" has been done.

Northern Nigeria is mostly rural villages. The strike was massive. What do you think happened?

Thanks for the correction. Also, I don't game.

A handful of people in one specific location. And did not use missiles.

When it comes to just maybe killing people you hate, even if there is no proof this happened, you sound just like Hegseth...

With a gun to their head, no doubt.

The thing I'm going to miss the least with the trumpkins is the endless whataboutisms, gatekeeping, and pearl clutching. I truly do not understand how they don't hear how they come across when all they have is endless bad-faith 'oh but did you also care when x' false equivalence BS.

Fascists would be a tiny bit less irritating if it was possible to have an honest, good-faith conversation with them. Then again, if they were rational actors they'd probably stop being trumpkins pretty quickly in the first place. I guess it's a defense mechanism they need to have, since they interact with people outside of the cult all the time.

 

[bruto]

I'm not seeing any "defence of The Fat Orange Turd in any of Zig's three posts.





All I see is him pointing out what he thinks is faux outrage. And I'm inclined to agree with him on that.

The three threads where Boko Harem was discussed were 12 posts, 2 posts and 101 posts long. Out of all those talking about it here, only @dudalb participated there.

Is participation in a thread the only measure of concern? There are many things in this world that I find appalling, unacceptable, evil and whatnot, about which I can do nothing, and have little to joke about and little to say. Must I sport a "FREE TIBET" sticker for everything? Am I presumed to be unconcerned about the massacres in Myanmar or the kidnappings in Nigeria or the repressions in North Korea because I didn't raise my voice at the appointed time?

 

[Mojo]

Is participation in a thread the only measure of concern? There are many things in this world that I find appalling, unacceptable, evil and whatnot, about which I can do nothing, and have little to joke about and little to say. Must I sport a "FREE TIBET" sticker for everything? Am I presumed to be unconcerned about the massacres in Myanmar or the kidnappings in Nigeria or the repressions in North Korea because I didn't raise my voice at the appointed time?

Yes.

 

[Ziggurat]

Is participation in a thread the only measure of concern? There are many things in this world that I find appalling, unacceptable, evil and whatnot, about which I can do nothing, and have little to joke about and little to say. Must I sport a "FREE TIBET" sticker for everything? Am I presumed to be unconcerned about the massacres in Myanmar or the kidnappings in Nigeria or the repressions in North Korea because I didn't raise my voice at the appointed time?

No, that's not required. But if you suddenly raise your voice whenever Trump gets involved, I'm going to suspect that you didn't care before.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Yeah, it's pretty remarkable. I don't dabble much in cults but their lack of self awareness is absolutely breathtaking.

I wonder if a lot of it is projection. They don't see why they should care about brown people in Nigeria, and they apparently don't care about the possibility of innocent people killed in air strikes, so in their eyes, anyone criticizing those things must be doing so because they hate King Dump, their lord and saviour. I used to think that the term 'virtue signalling' was a stupid, bad-faith strawman, but I've come to realize they probably do really think others think that way as well, given they themselves do it all the time.

Brown people in Africa? Who cares, America First, let them fix their own countries... Until the trumpkins can use child labour in the Congo as a gotcha against supporters of electric cars. And god, how many times haven't I seen people yell about women 'asking for it' and false accusations in threads about SA, or excuse horribly mysogonistic statements as 'locker room talk', only for the same trolls to do a 180 and suddenly care sooo much about rape when they can use it as an argument against immigration.

Opposing air strikes by a crazy authotarian who has already shown themselves to be actively hostile towards non-white people, and to not care the tiniest bit about rules of war? Just TDS, surely.

 

[smartcooky]

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Cultists

Tourists.

and rioters

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Is participation in a thread the only measure of concern? There are many things in this world that I find appalling, unacceptable, evil and whatnot, about which I can do nothing, and have little to joke about and little to say. Must I sport a "FREE TIBET" sticker for everything? Am I presumed to be unconcerned about the massacres in Myanmar or the kidnappings in Nigeria or the repressions in North Korea because I didn't raise my voice at the appointed time?

Yes. But also if you do raise your voice, you get slammed for 'virtue signalling'. You can't win.

 

[Ziggurat]

The thing I'm going to miss the least with the trumpkins is the endless whataboutisms, gatekeeping, and pearl clutching. I truly do not understand how they don't hear how they come across when all they have is endless bad-faith 'oh but did you also care when x' false equivalence BS.

Fascists would be a tiny bit less irritating if it was possible to have an honest, good-faith conversation with them. Then again, if they were rational actors they'd probably stop being trumpkins pretty quickly in the first place. I guess it's a defense mechanism they need to have, since they interact with people outside of the cult all the time.

Go on, then. Tell us how concerned you are for the Nigerians. Give us your insights into this conflict. Let's have that good faith conversation you say you crave.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Correct, we don't have the evidence for or against


Your evidence for this?


Your evidence for this?


Please make sure you know what you're talking about.

"Spear Head" [sic] was a WW2 rapid deployment of forces plan, usually involving the US Army 3rd Armored Division (called the "Spearhead Division").

Its also a game mode in some computer games... have you bee playing a bit too much "Call of Duty"?

What you are referring to is Operation Neptune Spear

Operation Neptune Spear | National September 11 Memorial & Museum

www.911memorial.org

They killed more than one target

- Obama bin Laden himself
- Khalid bin Laden (OBL's son)
- Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, (OBL's primary courier)
- Abrar al-Kuwaiti, aka Ibrahim Saheed Ahmed, aka Ahmed al-Kuwaiti (Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti's brother)
- Bushra (Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti's brother - her full name not recorded)



Correct


Emotive claptrap. We have no evidence this was the case.

The only thing we do know for sure is that it was done in consultation with, and the permission of, the Nigerian government.

Nor do we know that any actual terrorists were killed.

What we do know is that the Trump regime in the past year has given no proof for any of it's military strikes having basis in actual facts at all, so there is no real reason to assume that this time would be different.

 

[smartcooky]

Well, your following questions will need answers, not presuppositions that "the right thing" has been done.

Northern Nigeria is mostly rural villages. The strike was massive. What do you think happened?

The jury is out on that one

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/26/world/africa/trump-isis-strikes-nigeria-christians-facts.html

And analysts are divided over the existence of ties between insurgent groups in Sokoto and the Islamic State.​

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Some analysts say that the violent attackers in Sokoto, which are colloquially known as the Lakurawa, have links to the Islamic State’s Sahel Province branch, which is mostly farther north and west, in Mali, Niger and Burkina Faso.​

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But other analysts say evidence of those links is inconclusive, as the identity of the Lakurawa group remains very murky. Its militants have operated in Sokoto and other Nigerian states for years, winning popularity by fighting local bandits at first and then turning on the rural population.​

Of course, they're just media analysts, not the analysts at the pointy end of operations and planning.

Thanks for the correction. Also, I don't game.

You're welcome

A handful of people in one specific location. And did not use missiles.

A missile strike was indeed one of the options that was examined as was the proposal for a Guided Bomb. Two options (both using B2 bombers) were on the table...

GBU-28 Paveway III, a laser guided bombs (LGB) with a 2,300 kg BLU-113 penetrator warhead
GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP ) a GPS guided bomb with a 14,000 kg warhead

They were not proceeded with for a couple of reasons, the most important of which was the desire to make sure the target was dead. They were not 100% sure that OBL was even there, and a bomb strike would make it near impossible to confirm OBL's death. US officials wanted proof.
Also, the compound was located in a residential neighborhood, so collateral damage was a consideration.

If OBL had been found with absolute certainty to have been holed up in some remote, forsaken fortress out in the boonies, I am pretty certain they would have razed his castle with a big-arse bomb.

When it comes to just maybe killing people you hate, even if there is no proof this happened, you sound just like Hegseth...

I have no problem with people who hate terrorists. I would like to see them wiped off the face of the earth, so yeah!

With a gun to their head, no doubt.

Evidence?

 

[smartcooky]

Nor do we know that any actual terrorists were killed.

What we do know is that the Trump regime in the past year has given no proof for any of it's military strikes having basis in actual facts at all, so there is no real reason to assume that this time would be different.

Correct.

Personally, I am far more worried about what is happening with The Fat Orange Turd when it comes to his animosity towards Venezuela

 

[plague311]

Nor do we know that any actual terrorists were killed.

What we do know is that the Trump regime in the past year has given no proof for any of it's military strikes having basis in actual facts at all, so there is no real reason to assume that this time would be different.

Sure, but that's not the important part! Can't you guys just accept Trump into your hearts and accept that he makes the best choices, based on the best advice available?! WHY WON'T YOU GUYS LOVE HIM?!?! WHAT THE ◊◊◊◊ IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!! HE'S SAVING AMERICA, GOD DAMMIT! I TALK TO THE CUSTOMERS SO THE ENGINEERS DON'T HAVE TO....I might have got off topic there.

 

[Mojo]

Go on, then. Tell us how concerned you are for the Nigerians. Give us your insights into this conflict. Let's have that good faith conversation you say you crave.

You'll just claim that he isn't concerned about Cameroonians.

But many people are capable of being concerned about people without actually specifying particular nationalities they are concerned about.

 

[Resume]

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump: Potential Marble armrests for the seating at The Trump Kennedy Center. Unlike anything ever done or seen before!

 

[smartcooky]

I have no love for The Fat Orange Turd. I regard him as the Rapist in Chief, and the Mob-Boss in Chief. He is more corrupt that the Marcos family, he's an authoritarian, wannabe king/dictator, an anti-democracy clown, a racist and a general, all-round crook. I am sure he will have used the "services" provided by Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell during the time when the public didn't really know who they were and what they were up to (IMO his "hardly knew him" routine is a transparent sham - the photographic record doesn't lie).

That said, I really wonder if all the pearl-clutching, couch-fainting and performative pretzel twisting going on in this thread would be happening if it was a democratic president who had ordered the strikes.