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Trump's Second Term

angrysoba said:
Did people who chose to resign actually get the money they were promised?
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Donald Trump always pays his people. Everyone knows that.

angrysoba said:
Either way, we are talking here about Donald Trump as well as Musk, so it's a doubly invidious choice. Possibly get fired anyway, or volunteer to be paid out by someone notorious for not paying.
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Trying to fire 2 million people could conceivably generate 2 million lawsuits for wrongful termination. Not everyone in the federal bureaucracy works "at the pleasure of the President." Fooling people into resigning instead with the promise of a payout gives people a chance to "pre-comply" and save the Trump administration the headache of actually building the authoritarian regime.
 
Norman Alexander said:
The US government is not Twitter or Trump Corp. As soon as people realise that and push back, their game is up. If the government employees just ignore these demands and keep turning up to work, they can't be sacked. What is Trump going to do? Order them away at gunpoint? Take same side as the librul cuck Democrat Soros police on Jan 6th? That will look great on TV for MAGA.
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I'm getting confused by this sub-thread. What "demands" are being referred to? Why wouldn't Trump be able to prevent people from working?
 
angrysoba said:
I agree. They should indeed do that.

The next step for Trump is to declare that they are fired anyway, which is almost certainly going to be illegal. Then the next step is that the SCOTUS either gives Trump a clean bill of health, or they rule that he has broken the law. Then JD Vance's statement comes into play when he said he would do as Andrew Jackson was purported to have said which was the Court has made its decision, now it has to enforce it. So... constitutional crisis emerges... martial law, etc... the next step belongs in a separate thread.
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Trump can "declare" all he wants. He can "declare" that he owns the moon. Reality might have different ideas.

Why would SCOTUS be involved with this? There's no law suits being filed. The notices of termination are invalid, full stop. Just ignore DOGE and turn up to work, and bring lots of TV crews with them. There's no strike action; quite the opposite. Is DOGE going to lock the doors? Have armed guards stop them? That will look great on international news.

Also, Putin is laughing like a drain right about now. Trump's stupid antics are taking all the heat and focus off Putin and the appalling Ukraine conflict, and making the USA fall like a house of cards. That's all he wants - a weak USA. And all Putin had to do was plan with Xi, and talk to his direct channels to Trump (Xitter, TikTok, etc.) and make suggestions via the useful idiots. Muskrat is playing his part too, although I suspect he is aware of the game. It's MAGA getting played. But the USA can stop this by simply not playing the game.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
He can order their computer accounts to be locked. He can order their facility access cards to be deactivated. He can order locks to be changed.
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The people who do that are the people who need to get in the office. So that won't happen if they are not there.

And if they can do that, they should lock down all the Trump Admin computers and building access. That's their job, after all.
 
Norman Alexander said:
The notices of termination are invalid, full stop. Just ignore DOGE and turn up to work, and bring lots of TV crews with them. There's no strike action; quite the opposite. Is DOGE going to lock the doors? Have armed guards stop them? That will look great on international news.
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He can stop paying them. And have them evicted from the premises and charged with trespassing.
 
The Independent said:
White House blames Biden for killing ‘100 million chickens,’ refuses to admit Trump broken vow on costly eggs

At her first White House briefing, Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt made an unusual claim about the inflation that has stung American shoppers for years: Leavitt said egg prices have continued to surge because “the Biden administration and the Department of Agriculture directed the mass killing of more than 100 million chickens, which has led to a lack of chicken supply in this country, therefore lack of egg supply, which is leading to the shortage.”
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Leavitt didn't say anything about bird flu, which was why the chickens were killed.


Also:

www.independent.co.uk

Trump press secretary blames Biden administration for high egg prices

Millions of birds have been killed in attempts to halt the spread of H5N1 bird flu across the U.S.
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
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Realizing that what Trump is doing is illegal doesn't help you if you don't have the means to muster a legal defense: unless pretty much everyone resists, Trump and his henchmen can make the life of every lawful employee a living hell - in fact they are hoping for some resisters to be made examples and scapegoats of.
 
Blue Mountain said:
He can stop paying them. And have them evicted from the premises and charged with trespassing.
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That's all he can do. They cannot be sacked - he hasn't that authority. So they are still employees, trying to turn up for work. So who is going to evict thousands of employees from premises and charge them? Security? So few of them, and they are government employees too.

Oh, Trump will call in the military to do his bidding? With lots of livestream cameras present?
 
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dudalb said:
I rpeat, the offer mjight not even be legal. No one kows where the money is coming from.
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I think the money is just the regular payroll, like being on paid admin leave for the rest of the fiscal year. So you agree that you'll resign Sept 30, and they try to make that binding. In return, you (maybe) get to be on admin leave during that time. I say "maybe", because the "resignation letter" attached to that forking evil message has some imprecise language:

I understand my employing agency will likely make adjustments in response to my resignation including moving, eliminating, consolidating, reassigning my position and tasks, reducing my official duties, and/or placing me on paid administrative leave until my resignation date.
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So you might get reduced duties, you might get admin leave. But you might not get both. That "or" shows that you might just get reduced duties for the rest of the FY and no admin leave.

I will assist my employing agency with completing reasonable and customary tasks and processes to facilitate my departure.
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Again not clear. What if that includes wrapping up years worth of projects and reports?

So the false buyout offer comes down to potentially requiring the employee to work quite a bit before leaving. You would really just be committing to quitting come the end of September. All they really do is agree not to fire you until then - unless you break the terms of the agreement. Such as by refusing to do the work that the agreement still allows them to require you to do.
 
Norman Alexander said:
That's all he can do. They cannot be sacked - he hasn't that authority. So they are still employees, trying to turn up for work. So who is going to evict thousands of employees from premises and charge them? Security? So few of them, and they are government employees too.

Oh, Trump will call in the military to do his bidding? With lots of livestream cameras present?
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With regards to pay, Trump can cut funding for agencies that refuse to remove the illegally fired employees from the payroll. Without funding the agency can't pay anyone. I expect federal court orders to restore funding would be quickly forthcoming, and to date the government has abided by court rulings instead of ignoring them. Unfortunately, many people don't have the resources needed to ride out an extended period of financial uncertainty.

Sadly, I expect most of these fired employees will be removed from the payroll, even if the firing was not legal.
 
dudalb said:
I think shutting down the eintire US Government by firing all the employees is going to happen.
Hell, apparently OPM does not have the authority to offer buy outs..that has to be done by the indivuall agency.
You criticise me for being over the top, but you sound pretty apocalopyic.
Do you really think Trump can pull off half of what he wants to do?
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I'm not being apocalopyic.
 
Only Trump loves those brave astronauts.

Elon says

The @POTUS has asked @SpaceX to bring home the 2 astronauts stranded on the @Space_Station as soon as possible. We will do so.

Terrible that the Biden administration left them there so long.
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