Trump's Second Term

[stanfr]

More accurately, birds that nested on the tops were eventually found dead on the ground beneath them of old age.

Well no, it its a well established fact that turbines kill lots of birds, depending on your source 100,000-million a year. If you have any solid evidence that is not the case, present it. But to be clear, I am not arguing for fossil fuels, they are worse overall for our environment. And certainly there are greater threats to birds--like house cats.
As a bit of an aside, as one who worked as a weather forecaster (NWS) for 14 years I can tell you another real annoying thing about wind farms--they make it extremely tricky to get good radar data for weather forecasts and forecasting models. Because the turbines move, they are essentially picked up by doppler radar and register as precipitation (a wind farm can look like a strong thunderstorm on radar) which can wreck havoc with weather data.

 

[AmyStrange]

Every person doing work with NIH federal funding got a message today. I saw it. Essentially:
"Trump's cabinet head will need to reviews your every paper and other presentation."

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amyklobuchar
28m28 minutes ago
Two days in and chaos in…cancer research?
“It is hard to imagine a worse time to prohibit federal officials from communicating directly with the clinical laboratory community,” noting the slew of winter viruses and increasing risk of avian flu.” Health researchers alarmed as Trump administration pauses travel, communications

Yup, and not to mention the 150 million trump and musk had removed from the budget last December for child cancer research.
◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ low-life POS!!!

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[Norman Alexander]

Well no, it its a well established fact that turbines kill lots of birds, depending on your source 100,000-million a year. If you have any solid evidence that is not the case, present it.

Birds seem to have been able to avoid and/or land on wind-blown tree branches and other moving things for quite some time now. Seems to be one of their abilities. So avoiding much slower moving turbine blades is probably well within their capabilities. Granted, maybe less so at night. Not saying fatal impacts don't happen. Just that they are not the only cause of "dead birds at the base of a turbine".

Birds of prey, which will often take smaller birds, do like to take their catch to a nice stable location, such as the tops of trees and turbine housings, to eat. The dead uneaten remains of the dead birds then get dropped to the ground below. Sort of like your cat with a half-a-mouse.

Wild birds have a short lifespan as well - about 2 to 5 years. So if they are not finally taken beforehand, they will simply drop where they last perched (or nested). If that location is sitting on or near a turbine, more dead birds at the base.

But to be clear, I am not arguing for fossil fuels, they are worse overall for our environment. And certainly there are greater threats to birds--like house cats.
As a bit of an aside, as one who worked as a weather forecaster (NWS) for 14 years I can tell you another real annoying thing about wind farms--they make it extremely tricky to get good radar data for weather forecasts and forecasting models. Because the turbines move, they are essentially picked up by doppler radar and register as precipitation (a wind farm can look like a strong thunderstorm on radar) which can wreck havoc with weather data.

Yes, weather radar interference is definitely a drawback. Interestingly, the history of radar and metal-bladed propellers goes back to WW2.

 

[AmyStrange]

Birds seem to have been able to avoid and/or land on wind-blown tree branches and other moving things for quite some time now. Seems to be one of their abilities. So avoiding much slower moving turbine blades is probably well within their capabilities. Granted, maybe less so at night. Not saying fatal impacts don't happen. Just that they are not the only cause of "dead birds at the base of a turbine".

Do wind turbines kill birds?
Yes — but only a fraction as many as are killed by house cats, buildings, or even the fossil fuel operations that wind farms replace.

Wind turbines have long garnered scrutiny for killing birds that fly into their spinning blades or tall towers. Much of the data about bird deaths at wind facilities in the United States comes from studies published in 2013 and 2014. Those studies gave a wide range for the number of birds that die in wind turbine collisions each year: from 140,000 up to 679,000. The numbers are likely to be higher today, because many more wind farms have been built in the past decade.

Those numbers are not insignificant, but they represent a tiny fraction of the birds killed annually in other ways, like flying into buildings or caught by prowling house cats, which past studies have estimated kill up to 988 million and 4 billion birds each year, respectively. Other studies have shown that many more birds — between 12 and 64 million each year — are killed in the U.S. by power lines, which connect wind and other types of energy facilities to people who use the electricity.

Other sources of electricity are also more lethal for birds than wind energy. A 2012 study found that wind projects kill 0.269 birds per gigawatt-hour of electricity produced, compared to 5.18 birds killed per gigawatt-hour of electricity from fossil fuel projects. That’s in part due to collisions with equipment (wind turbines aren’t the only energy infrastructure birds can fly into), but mostly because of the environmental impact of fossil fuels. Coal mining has torn down forests and destroyed habitat, and burning coal produces air pollution tied to acid rain and mercury contamination, which scientists have linked to bird health impacts like birth defects. But when it comes to bird deaths, the most significant impact from fossil fuels is their contribution to climate change, which scientists expect will be extremely dangerous for birds. The National Audubon Society estimates that about two-thirds of bird species in North America are at increased risk of extinction due to rising temperatures and changes to the habitat where they live.

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[stanfr]

Spinning away from windmills, today the Texas legislature succeeded in finally banning any Democrat from holding a committee chair. Cause we can't have any dems in power positions now that MAGA has achieved a mandate from the people. The MAGA coup continues at the state level...
Texas Coup

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Trump: "We don't want windmills in this country. We're putting an order on it. I've already sort of done it. We don't want windmills ... you know what else people don't like? Those massive solar fields."

I just got home from the market. The stores are now paying you for eggs!

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Birds seem to have been able to avoid and/or land on wind-blown tree branches and other moving things for quite some time now. Seems to be one of their abilities. So avoiding much slower moving turbine blades is probably well within their capabilities.

From a distance those blades appear to be pirouetting like half-asleep ballerinas, but up close they are whipping around* at anywhere from 75 to 150 mph.


*Whipping. Whipping good.

 

[Norman Alexander]

From a distance those blades appear to be pirouetting like half-asleep ballerinas, but up close they are whipping around* at anywhere from 75 to 150 mph.


*Whipping. Whipping good.

Indeed they can. But not always that fast, and not all the time.

 

[thaiboxerken]

He's actively trying to destroy the environment. He's not even disguising it as a way to have cheaper energy or products.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Looks like it's goodbye to NATO

"We're protecting them. They're not protecting us. We're protecting them so I don't think we should be spending. I'm not sure we should be spending anything."

Trampy really doesn't understand NATO, does he? It's not about the US having to defend other nations, but the US being able to project its power globally because it's got bases both sides of the Atlantic.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Putin is in his ear, telling him that NATO is bad for the US.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I'm partly with Trump on this one. I am totally for appropriately placed windmill farms and most definitely for solar initiatives and getting solar panels on as many homes as possible. But just in my home state, I've watched them completely trash a large swath of one of the last areas of native grasslands by building a humongous swath of windmills right over it (and yes, killing lots of birds) and Ive also seen a big $ company attempt to cover a huge area adjacent to my favorite national park with solar panels. Fortunately their efforts were thwarted. Green energy is not always that green.

The killing lots of birds thing is a lie. It bas never once been documented.

 

[arthwollipot]

well it’s like that berensteen bears thing or like when you think a celebrity is dead that’s alive, where everyone remembers a much more ruthless jesus than what the book actually said

It's called the Mandala Effect.

 

[lionking]

Indeed they can. But not always that fast, and not all the time.

The killing birds excuse is pathetic, but not quite as ridiculous as Trump’s proclamation that turbines at sea kill whales.

 

[The Don]

My knowledge of 14th amendment as it applies to birthright citizenship is incomplete. I just learned that there are three exclusions I was not previously aware of (I knew about the first nation American exclusion)

1. Children of foreign diplomats, who are not subject to US laws, born in the US do not get US citizenship
2. People born on foreign ships do not get US citizenship
3. Children of an invading force born in the US do not get US citizenship

Will Trump claim that illegal immigrants are an invading force and hence their children are not entitled to birthright citizenship ?

 

[Darat]

Every person doing work with NIH federal funding got a message today. I saw it. Essentially:
"Trump's cabinet head will need to reviews your every paper and other presentation."

Amy Klobuchar (@amyklobuchar) on Threads

Two days in and chaos in…cancer research? 👎 “It is hard to imagine a worse time to prohibit federal officials from communicating directly with the clinical laboratory community,” noting the slew of winter viruses and increasing risk of avian flu.” Health researchers alarmed as Trump...

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amyklobuchar
28m28 minutes ago
Two days in and chaos in…cancer research?
“It is hard to imagine a worse time to prohibit federal officials from communicating directly with the clinical laboratory community,” noting the slew of winter viruses and increasing risk of avian flu.” Health researchers alarmed as Trump administration pauses travel, communications

Get rid of those cancer causing windmills!

 

[P.J. Denyer]

"Woke Jesus". I like it.

He had long hair, wore a dress and invited children to come unto him, luckily he wasn't in a library reading them stories.

 

[Darat]

He had long hair, wore a dress and invited children to come unto him, luckily he wasn't in a library reading them stories.

And had a foot fetish.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

But they could only run for a third term if their first 2 terms were non-consecutive (so that Obama and Clinton would not be able to run again).

Why not drop the pretence an just admit they only want to remove term limits for people called Donald J Trump.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

I'm partly with Trump on this one. I am totally for appropriately placed windmill farms and most definitely for solar initiatives and getting solar panels on as many homes as possible. But just in my home state, I've watched them completely trash a large swath of one of the last areas of native grasslands by building a humongous swath of windmills right over it (and yes, killing lots of birds) and Ive also seen a big $ company attempt to cover a huge area adjacent to my favorite national park with solar panels. Fortunately their efforts were thwarted. Green energy is not always that green.

Skeptoid Episode 4709: Wind Turbines and Birds