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Here are some of the words (and I hope I transcribed them correctly, but of course feel free to check me) of the linked video of an alleged witness describing the shooting, a 18-year-old Lucas Scott, who was apparently driving through the intersection at the time of the incident:
"The ICE agent was yelling and drew his weapon and kept yelling and yelling and warning the person driving, which is when the car was put into drive and was trying to hit the ICE officer, and he fired I would say probably four shots at him..."
...and that appears to be one of two videos from this news article:
www.pressherald.com
It is kind of odd for a news organization to lead the story with the words of someone who only saw the aftermath rather than those of an individual who may have witnessed the actual shooting itself, don't you think?
Maybe that wouldn't have stirred the right (oops, or would that be the left?) emotions.
"The ICE agent was yelling and drew his weapon and kept yelling and yelling and warning the person driving, which is when the car was put into drive and was trying to hit the ICE officer, and he fired I would say probably four shots at him..."
...and that appears to be one of two videos from this news article:
Biddeford witness saw gunshot victim bleeding from head
One resident who saw the shooting said he heard the man who died say 'I tried to stop.'
www.pressherald.com
It is kind of odd for a news organization to lead the story with the words of someone who only saw the aftermath rather than those of an individual who may have witnessed the actual shooting itself, don't you think?
Maybe that wouldn't have stirred the right (oops, or would that be the left?) emotions.
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He's The Regime's ideal ICE agent. They want people that are willing to kill those who oppose The Regime.
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Seeing reports that Aurora Police say an ICE detention center employee shot a protester last night. She is expected to survive.
42-year-old Brandon Booth, who works for the ICE contractor GEO Group, is being held on suspicion of attempted second degree murder and other charges
42-year-old Brandon Booth, who works for the ICE contractor GEO Group, is being held on suspicion of attempted second degree murder and other charges
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Reported even by Fox News, although their report pivoted to a completely unrelated shooting that could be blamed on protesters rather than ICE agents or contractors.
As reported by CBS News and other outlets:
Brandon Booth is an employee of GEO Group, which runs the ICE detainment center in Aurora. A GEO spokesperson said "This individual has been placed on unpaid administrative leave, and we will fully cooperate with law enforcement."
(Which is not what ICE or DHS would have said or done if it had been one of their own agents instead of one of their own contractors' agents.)
shemp
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Yeah, that's the first thing I noticed when I read the report. Just like business, if you're a contractor and get in trouble, they'll drop you like a hot potato.
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Looks to me like the kid is lying.Here are some of the words (and I hope I transcribed them correctly, but of course feel free to check me) of the linked video of an alleged witness describing the shooting, a 18-year-old Lucas Scott, who was apparently driving through the intersection at the time of the incident:
"The ICE agent was yelling and drew his weapon and kept yelling and yelling and warning the person driving, which is when the car was put into drive and was trying to hit the ICE officer, and he fired I would say probably four shots at him..."
...and that appears to be one of two videos from this news article:
Biddeford witness saw gunshot victim bleeding from head
One resident who saw the shooting said he heard the man who died say 'I tried to stop.'
It is kind of odd for a news organization to lead the story with the words of someone who only saw the aftermath rather than those of an individual who may have witnessed the actual shooting itself, don't you think?
Maybe that wouldn't have stirred the right (oops, or would that be the left?) emotions.
Here is an oddly edited video of the intersection at the moment a gunshot is recorded. Kid said he was going through the intersection at that very moment and saw Johan Sebastián put the car into drive and was trying to hit the ICE officer. Uh, yeah.
Videos shows moments before and after ICE agents shot man in Biddeford
Footage from neighbors, a local business and bystanders capture gunfire and agents surrounding Joan Sebastián Durán Guerrero on the ground.
www.pressherald.com
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Uh, from the start of that video to where we can first see people seemingly attending to the shooting victim is, and based upon the timestamps, 23 minutes and 38 seconds.
...and yet of those 23 minutes and 38 seconds at least 23 minutes and 9 seconds of video is missing!
So, I don't think we should be surprised if it doesn't look like the claimed eye witness can be seen rolling through the intersection in this particular video. There is just way too much missing footage. Actually, I'm not sure that this video shows any part of the incident at all, other than the aftermath, of course.
This video has a big 7 minute chunk of time missing near the start plus an even bigger 16 minute and 9 second chunk a little later on, plus maybe a few more missing seconds added to that, and all before we can see the victim and/or his car.
...and there really doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary going on before the second large time jump, either.
So, everything that mattered may have begun somewhere in the larger and latter 16 minute and 9 second chunk of time that is missing.
*I've just found another report that claims that the sounds of 5 gunshots were clearly caught on someone else's camera at 7:17 A.M., so that would indeed place the shooting at approximately two-thirds of the way into the biggest missing chunk of time in your video. Your video shows some frames from about 11 minutes before the shooting, then, and starts again about 5 minutes after the shooting.
You can see at about 50 seconds into the following video where they give the time of the shooting:
Considering this, the bang at the start of the video you posted may not be a gunshot at all. Plus, there seems to be another loud bang while people are apparently attending to the gunshot victim on the ground after the incident that no one seems to react to, and at about 30 seconds into your youtube video (ignoring the original video's timestamps), which then probably isn't a gunshot either.
So, the shooting supposedly happened about 18 minutes after the start of your video and about 11 minutes after this particular frame of the video, frame 898:
...and about 5 minutes before the next frame of the video, frame 899:
...with these two consecutive frames being 16 minutes and 9 seconds apart in real time (both being approximately 30 seconds into the video).
Which seems to make the entire video irrelevant in regards to what I had previously posted - unless perhaps you can see the claimed witness in the background somewhere.
In other videos that I have seen which appeared to show more of the actual incident and in which the possibly already incapacitated shooting victim was going in circles in the intersection, there was indeed a vehicle that looked like it might have rolled past right before that. Of course I don't know if that was the claimed witness's vehicle or not.
I've yet to see any videos that showed the actual shooting.
Like it or not, but there could possibly be multiple eye witnesses as to what really happened, though. Not everyone who doesn't think it is a good idea to have millions of unvetted foreign nationals in our country who have sneaked in illegally is an evil and dishonest meanie, don't you know.
Hopefully, the truth will out, as they say.
TLDR:
The video you posted shows around 30 seconds of total footage taken from 18 to 11 minutes before the shooting with all the rest beginning about 5 minutes after the shooting, thus seemingly missing everything important other than some of the aftermath. Note that there is a 16 minute and 9 second time jump in the timestamps of the two consecutive video frames posted above.
ETA:
In following a hunch, I discovered that the loud bangs we hear in your video could be a known problem for some Ring cameras should you want to investigate further. There are some users complaining about such problems here, for instance:
community-ring.sprinklr.com
"I have the same problem. Cam is brand new. Loud gunshot-sounding bang at the start of every recording. It's awful." ...for example.
...and yet of those 23 minutes and 38 seconds at least 23 minutes and 9 seconds of video is missing!
So, I don't think we should be surprised if it doesn't look like the claimed eye witness can be seen rolling through the intersection in this particular video. There is just way too much missing footage. Actually, I'm not sure that this video shows any part of the incident at all, other than the aftermath, of course.
This video has a big 7 minute chunk of time missing near the start plus an even bigger 16 minute and 9 second chunk a little later on, plus maybe a few more missing seconds added to that, and all before we can see the victim and/or his car.
...and there really doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary going on before the second large time jump, either.
So, everything that mattered may have begun somewhere in the larger and latter 16 minute and 9 second chunk of time that is missing.
*I've just found another report that claims that the sounds of 5 gunshots were clearly caught on someone else's camera at 7:17 A.M., so that would indeed place the shooting at approximately two-thirds of the way into the biggest missing chunk of time in your video. Your video shows some frames from about 11 minutes before the shooting, then, and starts again about 5 minutes after the shooting.
You can see at about 50 seconds into the following video where they give the time of the shooting:
Considering this, the bang at the start of the video you posted may not be a gunshot at all. Plus, there seems to be another loud bang while people are apparently attending to the gunshot victim on the ground after the incident that no one seems to react to, and at about 30 seconds into your youtube video (ignoring the original video's timestamps), which then probably isn't a gunshot either.
So, the shooting supposedly happened about 18 minutes after the start of your video and about 11 minutes after this particular frame of the video, frame 898:
...and about 5 minutes before the next frame of the video, frame 899:
...with these two consecutive frames being 16 minutes and 9 seconds apart in real time (both being approximately 30 seconds into the video).
Which seems to make the entire video irrelevant in regards to what I had previously posted - unless perhaps you can see the claimed witness in the background somewhere.
In other videos that I have seen which appeared to show more of the actual incident and in which the possibly already incapacitated shooting victim was going in circles in the intersection, there was indeed a vehicle that looked like it might have rolled past right before that. Of course I don't know if that was the claimed witness's vehicle or not.
I've yet to see any videos that showed the actual shooting.
Like it or not, but there could possibly be multiple eye witnesses as to what really happened, though. Not everyone who doesn't think it is a good idea to have millions of unvetted foreign nationals in our country who have sneaked in illegally is an evil and dishonest meanie, don't you know.
Hopefully, the truth will out, as they say.
TLDR:
The video you posted shows around 30 seconds of total footage taken from 18 to 11 minutes before the shooting with all the rest beginning about 5 minutes after the shooting, thus seemingly missing everything important other than some of the aftermath. Note that there is a 16 minute and 9 second time jump in the timestamps of the two consecutive video frames posted above.
ETA:
In following a hunch, I discovered that the loud bangs we hear in your video could be a known problem for some Ring cameras should you want to investigate further. There are some users complaining about such problems here, for instance:
Loud bang at the start of every recording | Ring Community
Does anybody know why I have this sound at the beginning of each of my recordings?
community-ring.sprinklr.com
"I have the same problem. Cam is brand new. Loud gunshot-sounding bang at the start of every recording. It's awful." ...for example.
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The person who hired them needs to be put on trial
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This is what every moment of their miserable lives should be like. They deserve nothing less.
When I see this as a non-USian, it just seems like a third world country. The police oppressing the population. But perhaps only a 2 1/2 world issue because the women with a whistle chased them away. In common wealth countries police can be oppressive, but the Peel principles apply. Although nearly 200 years old they seem more important now than ever before. The single best thing US law enforcement could do is adopt them.
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Just getting around to this now?
US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) will require its officers to record vehicle stops with at least one body camera, said Tom Homan, the Trump administration “border czar”, on Sunday. The action comes as the agency is under renewed scrutiny after ICE officers fatally shot two men earlier this month.
“They exonerate more law enforcement than they convict, and I want officers to wear body cameras because I want the American people to see what the officers saw when they took that action,” Homan said on the Fox & Friends Weekend program.
Homan’s comments come after federal immigration agents fatally shot two men six days apart during traffic stops in Texas and Maine earlier this month. There is no body-camera footage from ICE agents involved in those incidents.
‘We just want to be treated like humans’: how a Latino neighborhood is rallying after an ICE shooting
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In a separate interview on CBS’s Face the Nation show, Homan said money for the cameras was held up during the partial government shutdown earlier this year.
“The cameras have been purchased right now,” Homan said. “They’re training the trainer in deploying the cameras nationwide.”
The immigration agency’s extreme tactics have once again come under public scrutiny in recent days after an ICE officer on 13 July killed Joan Sebastián Durán Guerrero, a driver from Colombia, in the coastal Maine city of Biddeford, about 15 miles (24km) south of Portland. Six days earlier, another ICE officer in Houston fatally shot Lorenzo Salgado Araujo, a Mexican national.
bruto
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I will believe the above when Homan and his minions make failure to turn the body camera on a firing offense. If they actually enforced the rules on their own people as strictly as rules on ordinary people are enforced, things would change. Failure to turn on a body camera in anything but a surprise ambush should be prima facie evidence of intention to violate the law. No "oops I forgot" or "I though it was on." You know these people don't go out without checking that their guns are loaded, their offensive gear ready to offend, their pants pulled up and their shoes tied. If the enforcement is there, they'll remember to turn on the cameras.
TragicMonkey
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Relax! Soon there will be all the body camera footage you could possibly want! More than you'd want, because they're only going to use them so they have material they can adjust using AI to fit their chosen stories.
We'll look back with nostalgia upon the days when there was just an absence of proof of their wrongdoing, rather than positive falsified proof of their not wrongdoing.