Cont: Trump's Coup - Part 3

[mgidm86]

Specifically, in what way is it "highly" partisan, as opposed to ambient partisanship?

It can only be bipartisan if some of the folks being investigated are doing the investigating! Crazy thing: the Dems gave the Repubs that chance and they squandered it.

 

[Warp12]

I was thinking about that a bit recently, and it seems the progression goes sort of like this:

Nixon....He's a crook and a liar, but at least he's sort of sane.

Reagan...he's demented, but at least he's kind of personable.

Bush Sr....he's not that personable, but at least he's not a total idiot.

Bush Jr...He's an idiot, but he's the kind of guy you could have a beer with.

Trump...skip the beer.

Telling opinion piece.

 

[Stacyhs]

It can only be bipartisan if some of the folks being investigated are doing the investigating! Crazy thing: the Dems gave the Repubs that chance and they squandered it.

But if the GOP had nominated acceptable members to the J6C, they'd have lost the opportunity to whine, bitch, and moan about what a partisan, get Trump witch-hunt it is. Couldn't have that, ya know.

 

[Warp12]

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I think the most undemocratic thing in the Constitution is the Electoral College.

I bet you do. LMAO.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Telling opinion piece.

It is indeed. Accurate and pithy.

 

[acbytesla]

What I don't get is how the fake elector scheme is not a crime and why Rudy G hasn't been arrested for it.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

What I don't get is how the fake elector scheme is not a crime and why Rudy G hasn't been arrested for it.

He may be eventually but the worst Charges will be for those that forged the documents.

 

[Ladewig]

While a thorough examination would reveal as many motives as there were/are people involved, I think it boils down, in the simplest sense, to Drumpf desiring the Office of POTUS to keep out of jail, and his enablers profiting off of a useful idiot as POTUS.

The course of the GOP over the past several decades would seem to have been driving almost inexorably toward this outcome.

I think you are overestimating Trump.

I would say in the simplest sense, Trump wanted to win …

-because he doesn’t like losing
-because he looks at elections the same way he looks at TV rating: a measure of one’s worth
-because he liked Air Force One and the other perks.

The reasons I think it wasn’t an effort to avoid jail that motivated him are he still doesn’t understand actions have consequences and just as a 4-year-old would have a hard time understanding his being punished for something he did a year ago, Trump lives in the now and really can’t understand why people care about things that happened years ago.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I think you are overestimating Trump.

I would say in the simplest sense, Trump wanted to win …

-because he doesn’t like losing (because he's a fragile, malignant narcissist)
-because he looks at elections the same way he looks at TV rating: a measure of one’s worth (because he bought TV ratings so why can't he buy an election?)
-because he liked Air Force One and the other perks. (because his own airline went bust, as is usual for Trump businesses, so someone else pays for it)

The reasons I think it wasn’t an effort to avoid jail that motivated him are he still doesn’t understand actions have consequences and just as a 4-year-old would have a hard time understanding his being punished for something he did a year ago, Trump lives in the now and really can’t understand why people care about things that happened years ago.

He is REALLY not right in the head. I said long ago I had some slight sympathy for the abandoned, abused 4yo Donny. But the adult deserves and gets all my revulsion.

 

[Ladewig]

You may be right, but I disagree. I think most of the people involved knew quite well that what the were doing was illegal. I mean, I think even stupid people realize that smashing through barricades and vandalizing the Capitol and threatening legislators is at least technically illegal. You'd have to be dumber than dirt not to realize this.
I would agree that most thought it was justified, and expected that, like the revolutionaries they imagined were their brethren, they'd be cheered for it. Those old revolutionaries, though, knew that they were committing crimes that would hang them if they failed. If the new ones did not, it's because they were conned by their leading idiots and their own ignorance into thinking their cause equivalent, and conned again by the same factors into thinking the idiot in charge would not forsake them.

Are you aware that in the days following J6, people called Pelosi’s office to ask if there was a lost-and-found department because they left things in the building?

 

[Ladewig]

He is REALLY not right in the head. I said long ago I had some slight sympathy for the abandoned, abused 4yo Donny. But the adult deserves and gets all my revulsion.

I emphatically agree with all points.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Alll sane Republicans knew that the Big Lie was just that and that Trump had lost.

But the Mueller investigation plus two Impeachments without effect have taught Republicans that they can get away with anything as long as they stick together.

So no, I don't think that Republicans thought what they did was legal, in anything but the Sovereign Citizen sense.
But they were sure it wouldn't matter as long as they ended up in control of the White House and DOJ.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I bet you do. LMAO.

It is by design undemocratic.
If you don't see that, that's a problem for you.

 

[shuttlt]

Constitutions are, if they have any power to restrain the will of the majority, by definition anti-democratic. I think relatively few people are actually in favour of giving free rein to the majority, or their representatives. The argument is about how and to what degree to be anti-democratic.

 

[dann]

Dump has a pathologic narcissistic disorder. Everything he does revolves around that.

He likely truly couldn't accept that he lost even though he probably knew he did at some point. But he's claimed he didn't lose for so long, now he probably actually believes it.

It is as simple as that. He can't accept losing. He couldn't even accept not having won the popular vote when he did win the presidential election. He couldn't accept that previous presidents had larger crowds for the inaugural address than he did. He can't accept that he is bald and not as tall as his elevator shoes are supposed to make him appear to be.

Trump is an enemy of reality.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

It is as simple as that. He can't accept losing. He couldn't even accept not having won the popular vote when he did win the presidential election. He couldn't accept that previous presidents had larger crowds for the inaugural address than he did. He can't accept that he is bald and not as tall as his elevator shoes are supposed to make him appear to be.

Trump is an enemy of reality.

Given the bribes to Mitch McConnell I don't think that it's just Trump's Ego, I expect that Trump has many Criminal problems, that could be expunged by a second Term.

 

[Doubt]

I have stated this in other places before. Trump is deluded but not crazy. He does not believe in any sort of objective reality. If you want something to be true then you make it true. If you fail to make it true then you did not want it badly enough.

The source of this came from his and his father's "religious" affiliation with Norman Vincent Peale who pushed the "Power of positive thinking" BS out there. The Secret, is the same BS.

Donald's more recent spiritual advisor is Paula White, who is a prosperity Christianity proponent.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Is this really something we have to Columbo?

He wanted to stay in power more than he wanted to be a decent human being who followed the rule of law or... like basic logic or human decency, feed (and feeding in a perfect feedback loop) by a growing dangerous percentage of the population more and more enamored with dangerous conspiracy theories.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Is this really something we have to Columbo?

He wanted to stay in power more than he wanted to be a decent human being who followed the rule of law or... like basic logic or human decency, feed (and feeding in a perfect feedback loop) by a growing dangerous percentage of the population more and more enamored with dangerous conspiracy theories.

As we find out more from the January 6th committee it looks Like the whole Trump administration was a criminal enterprise.

 

[shuttlt]

For what little it's worth, the people who I talked to in the build up to January 6th and went on to attend had very little expectation of changing the election result. They felt, rightly or wrongly, that the courts had refused to hear them on the election. Generally, they have a very different view of the United States to this forum. They saw it as a voluntary union of States. Obviously they didn't get the message that that was no longer the case after the Civil War, if it was before. This is partly why they found it shocking that Texas and the other states that joined them didn't have standing to challenge the election. Effectively they saw Congress as some kind of last court of appeal. They didn't trust the Republican establishment to do anything, so they turned up to show the level of ongoing support for the populist cause, and hence show the downside to the GOP of not acting.

The way things turned out was a disaster for those people, since it ended up being a reason for Congress not to hear them either. Doubtless there were other people there with different motives, but I have a hard time believing that the above wasn't a sizable part of the crowd.