Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

[Skeptic Ginger]

I don't see what the issue is with Jones. Funding/organizing/speaking at the rallies doesn't seem to be encouraging invading the Capitol building.

What am I missing?

 

[Bob001]

I don't see what the issue is with Jones. Funding/organizing/speaking at the rallies doesn't seem to be encouraging invading the Capitol building.

What am I missing?

He hasn't been charged with anything. But by his own account he was one of the prime organizers/instigators of the rally and the raid on the Capitol. That would make him at least partly responsible for the result.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...x-jones-paid-rally-capitol-riot-b1784603.html

 

[CORed]

I think a lot of sane republicans were hoping that once he was out of office, the GOP would break with Trump.
That is not happening.
As one person put it, GOP is in danger of keeping it base but losing everybody else.

I really think this is what is going to happen. Republican officeholders are going to be between a rock and a hard place. Oppose Trump, they will be defeated in a primary. Support Trump, and they will lose the general election. This may not be true for heavily Republican House districts, but will be for just about any statewide office, even in red states. The Trump faction still contains a discouragingly large number of people, but I think it is now too small to win many elections. The Republicans have lost most of the people who knew Trump is an idiot, but supported him because they wanted tax cuts, deregulation, conservative judges, etc. It's early to make predictions for 2022, but what I expect to see is Democrat majorities increasing in both House and Senate, but a hard core of MAGA/ Qanon type wackos in the House, and in state legislatures, especially in red states. I think Trump's pathetic coup attempt has seriously, perhaps irretrievably, broken the Republican Party.

 

[dudalb]

And the Dems are going to twist the knife with theri best asset:Marjorie Taylor Green aka Hillbilly Barbie.
Pelosi has issued an ultimatum to McCarthy;Strip Green of her Education Commitee assignment (which as minority leader he has the power to do) of they will bring it to the floor.
Win Win for the Dems either the GOP is forced to move agianst one of it;s own members or they have to defend MTG and her lunacy in public.

 

[shemp]

I could be rich if I'd been able to bet against all the people who have said on numerous occasions since 1929 that the Republican Party is dead. They're not going away. They'll still be here long after I'm dead. They'll still be here long after we're all dead.

 

[Stacyhs]

I could be rich if I'd been able to bet against all the people who have said on numerous occasions since 1929 that the Republican Party is dead. They're not going away. They'll still be here long after I'm dead. They'll still be here long after we're all dead.

The Republican Party isn't dead; it's just brain dead.

 

[acbytesla]

I could be rich if I'd been able to bet against all the people who have said on numerous occasions since 1929 that the Republican Party is dead. They're not going away. They'll still be here long after I'm dead. They'll still be here long after we're all dead.

Are you sure they're not Zombies?

 

[CapelDodger]

I really think this is what is going to happen. Republican officeholders are going to be between a rock and a hard place. Oppose Trump, they will be defeated in a primary.

But will they? What kind of candidate will the Trump circle put up against them? The likes of Taylor Green? As for the power of money, we know where that's going to go, and it'll have nothing to do with election strategy.

Support Trump, and they will lose the general election.

That's hard to argue against. Trump's best efforts, and his whole base, have lost the Republican Party the House, the Senate and the White House in four years.

Being afraid of Trump in 2022 is simply pathetic.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

And the Dems are going to twist the knife with theri best asset:Marjorie Taylor Green aka Hillbilly Barbie.

While McConnell didn’t name her directly, he did say this in a statement today:

“Loony lies and conspiracy theories are cancer for the Republican Party and our country. Somebody who's suggested that perhaps no airplane hit the Pentagon on 9/11, that horrifying school shootings were pre-staged, and that the Clintons crashed JFK Jr.'s airplane is not living in reality. This has nothing to do with the challenges facing American families or the robust debates on substance that can strengthen our party."

I think we can guess who he was referring to, though.

 

[CapelDodger]

I could be rich if I'd been able to bet against all the people who have said on numerous occasions since 1929 that the Republican Party is dead. They're not going away. They'll still be here long after I'm dead. They'll still be here long after we're all dead.

I regard the two US Parties as akin to sporting franchises. The name stays the same, ownership and teams change. One franchise can dominate for a while, but the system is self-adjusting - in a dominant party, internal politics determine careers and defections by out-factions are inevitable.

The disarray in the Republican Party right now is pretty special, but the end of the bastard alliance between Northern and Southern Democrats over Civil Rights was special too. No Party actually died. The Republicans just got infected, and their fever will break. Eventually.

 

[Firestone]

Amazingly detailed report about the crazy meeting at the WH with Trump, Sidney Powell, Flynn, and others. Worth a read. It was so crazy that, at one point, Giuliani was ... the voice of reason.

The Oval Office portion of the meeting had dragged on for nearly three hours, creeping beyond 9 p.m. The arguments became so heated that even Giuliani — still on the phone — at one point told everyone to calm down. One participant later recalled: "When Rudy's the voice of reason, you know the meeting's not going well."

Inside the craziest meeting of the Trump presidency (Axios)

 

[eerok]

Amazingly detailed report about the crazy meeting at the WH with Trump, Sidney Powell, Flynn, and others. Worth a read. It was so crazy that, at one point, Giuliani was ... the voice of reason.



Inside the craziest meeting of the Trump presidency (Axios)

Yeah, that's something. I'm only surprised that Trump was relatively well-behaved. I always imagine him flapping his hands and barking orders, but I guess he's capable of sitting and listening to complete madness if there's a chance it'll serve his goals.

 

[Steve]

Yeah, that's something. I'm only surprised that Trump was relatively well-behaved. I always imagine him flapping his hands and barking orders, but I guess he's capable of sitting and listening to complete madness if there's a chance it'll serve his goals.

There is little in the article to indicate that he was actually listening most of the time. He was probably busy doodling large breasted women on Whitehouse stationery and reading the TV schedule.

 

[shemp]

Are you sure they're not Zombies?

If they are, they haven't got any braaaaaaiiiiinnnnsss!

 

[eerok]

There is little in the article to indicate that he was actually listening most of the time. He was probably busy doodling large breasted women on Whitehouse stationery and reading the TV schedule.

I think he may have paid attention to the crazy parts, and it sounds like that's mostly what Powell et al. presented.

The election fraud gambit had been in his arsenal for years, and I imagine Trump wanted to play it out to the bitter end, which is where we are now. He was motivated to listen.

 

[thaiboxerken]

But will they? What kind of candidate will the Trump circle put up against them? The likes of Taylor Green? As for the power of money, we know where that's going to go, and it'll have nothing to do with election strategy.


That's hard to argue against. Trump's best efforts, and his whole base, have lost the Republican Party the House, the Senate and the White House in four years.

Being afraid of Trump in 2022 is simply pathetic.

It is very stupid. They are holding tight to the base because they see that a huge percentage of the party love Trump. What they don't see is how the party shrank. The Trumpublican party is just white supremacists holding onto the delusion that white power is worth fighting for and not a lost cause.

 

[The Don]

It is very stupid. They are holding tight to the base because they see that a huge percentage of the party love Trump. What they don't see is how the party shrank. The Trumpublican party is just white supremacists holding onto the delusion that white power is worth fighting for and not a lost cause.

...and yet President Trump got 74 million votes

If you're a Republican in a safe seat then it doesn't matter how small the party gets, the biggest risk to re-election is being primaried by a more rabid pro-Trump candidate. If you're a sitting GOP representative then cosying up to President Trump and his supporters makes all the sense in the world.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

It is very stupid. They are holding tight to the base because they see that a huge percentage of the party love Trump. What they don't see is how the party shrank.

And continues to shrink...

 

[Horatius]

...and yet President Trump got 74 million votes

If you're a Republican in a safe seat then it doesn't matter how small the party gets, the biggest risk to re-election is being primaried by a more rabid pro-Trump candidate. If you're a sitting GOP representative then cosying up to President Trump and his supporters makes all the sense in the world.

But at some point, it has to matter. If the party shrinks enough, there won't be any safe seats. Now, maybe it will never shrink that much, but that's got to at least be a possibility.

 

[thaiboxerken]

But at some point, it has to matter. If the party shrinks enough, there won't be any safe seats. Now, maybe it will never shrink that much, but that's got to at least be a possibility.

Yes. There are less safe seats now than before Trump. Georgia isn't safe. Florida isn't safe. Texas isn't safe. North Carolina isn't safe. The voter suppression and election rigging is the only thing keeping some red states red and that won't hold as demographics keep changing.