Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

[Segnosaur]

This thread was born of fear that Trump would find a way to illegally maintain power, via corrupt judges or some other illegal mechanism.

I think we can safely dismiss that possibility now, so I think it's time to unsubscribe from this particular thread.

We can assume that it won't happen now... But there still may be things to discuss... There may be new revelations of plans that the trump administration had that didn't get enacted.

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[HHellpop]

Might be that we are seeing him in more varied circumstances, rather than the controlled conditions of a largely indoor campaign. But he doesn't have to run marathons; all he has to do is appoint competent people and get out of their way, and he seems to be doing that pretty effectively.

The linked report I found from George Washington University was pretty definitive in its assessment of how healthy Biden is. And it went beyond simply parroting what his late 2019 health report from his physician said. They went into some detail about not just his physical health but his cognitive capabilities. They don't project any problems across the board for 4 or even 8 years. He will outlive most people and maintain his faculties well into his later life. He seems to have the benefit of not only good genes - very long-lived family - but also way better than average excercise regimen. Barring any unforeseen complications, I am now completely unconcerned with his health while he is our president.

 

[dudalb]

We can assume that it won't happen now... But there still may be things to discuss... There may be new revelations of plans that the trump administration had that didn't get enacted.

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And the legal fallout from the Storming of the Capitol will go for a while and we need a place to discuss it.
We had what amounts to a failed coup attempt. Enough reason to keep this gong.

 

[dudalb]

This guy is going to spend a LONG time in the Penalty Box:

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/535256-michigan-man-arrested-for-beating-officer-with-hockey-stick-during

 

[Stacyhs]

This guy is going to spend a LONG time in the Penalty Box:

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/535256-michigan-man-arrested-for-beating-officer-with-hockey-stick-during

I'm sure he was really antifa.

 

[dudalb]

I'm sure he was really antifa.

Lots of jokes about this guy..like "In Court, will he use a Wing defense?'.

 

[dudalb]

new Definition of MAGA

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[Skeptic Ginger]

And lots of people are never mentally competent. Humanity is a beautiful rainbow of varying degrees of mental competence! #ThinkPinkOrNotAtAll

Which is a non sequitur given there is no evidence Biden is frail or increasingly deteriorating. People are trying to frame it that he is. It's a misinformation campaign.

He is obviously doing a good job already. What's with amplifying the false meme?

 

[Delvo]

I thought for a while that they should have held off on the arrests to avoid giving Trump anybody to pardon, but that turned out OK. Apparently Trump was able to figure out that doing so would contradict the PR he was trying to put out on this subject.

 

[Craig4]

And the legal fallout from the Storming of the Capitol will go for a while and we need a place to discuss it.
We had what amounts to a failed coup attempt. Enough reason to keep this gong.

What hasn't come out yet is any internal White House chatter on e-mail or whatever chat system they use. I suspect there is still a lot more to learn about what was going on in the White House, particularly from the time the enemy attacked the first barrier and when Trump sent out his, "We love you, you're very special" message. I'd like to hear a lot more from whoever told Ben Sasse that Trump didn't understand why the staffers weren't happy about the attack on the Capitol.

 

[dudalb]

Which is a non sequitur given there is no evidence Biden is frail or increasingly deteriorating. People are trying to frame it that he is. It's a misinformation campaign.

He is obviously doing a good job already. What's with amplifying the false meme?

BTW Hillbilly Barbie from Georgia did introuduce Impeachment articles agianst Biden today.

 

[Craig4]

BTW Hillbilly Barbie from Georgia did introuduce Impeachment articles agianst Biden today.

That's impressive. Three weeks ago she got her first pair of shoes and now she's introducing articles of impeachment.

 

[slyjoe]

What hasn't come out yet is any internal White House chatter on e-mail or whatever chat system they use. I suspect there is still a lot more to learn about what was going on in the White House, particularly from the time the enemy attacked the first barrier and when Trump sent out his, "We love you, you're very special" message. I'd like to hear a lot more from whoever told Ben Sasse that Trump didn't understand why the staffers weren't happy about the attack on the Capitol.

I have heard from two different T supporters who don't know each other that he couldn't have incited the attack because his speech went on for an hour after the MSM said it had ended.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

What hasn't come out yet is any internal White House chatter on e-mail or whatever chat system they use. I suspect there is still a lot more to learn about what was going on in the White House, particularly from the time the enemy attacked the first barrier and when Trump sent out his, "We love you, you're very special" message. I'd like to hear a lot more from whoever told Ben Sasse that Trump didn't understand why the staffers weren't happy about the attack on the Capitol.

I thought they were told not to text or email but Boebert did anyway. Some reported leaving messages for loved ones. But I'm not sure how much is there to find.

OTOH, there is stuff on those cameras about those capitol tours a day or so earlier and I'd bet if Boebert and her mother really were involved they were too stupid to hide it in the days leading up to the riot.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

BTW Hillbilly Barbie from Georgia did introuduce Impeachment articles agianst Biden today.

And I think we know why: Newsweek: Marjorie Taylor Greene Files Impeachment Articles Against Biden, Fundraises Off Effort

Can you get impeached for things brought up before the election and essentially ignored by voters (If this was a serious bill)?

According to a press release posted to Twitter by Greene, the impeachment articles are for Biden's "corrupt actions involving his quid pro quo in Ukraine and his abuse of power by allowing his son, Hunter Biden, to siphon off cash from America's greatest enemies Russia and China."

Benghazi... her emails... ad nauseum.


Oh yeah, and this was during the Obama admin:

"President Biden is even on tape admitting to a quid pro quo with the Ukrainian government threatening to withhold $1,000,000,000 in foreign aid if they did not do his bidding. President Biden residing in the White House is a threat to national security and he must be immediately impeached."

This woman has been asleep at the wheel here as far and recent history is involved.


Oh gawd, a holdover from the gaslight world:

During her interview she made points similar to those in her statement, saying that "Joe Biden is on record, on the phone, saying that he will withhold a billion dollars of foreign aid if he didn't get his way with these deals with his son."

 

[Tassman]

Which is a non sequitur given there is no evidence Biden is frail or increasingly deteriorating. People are trying to frame it that he is. It's a misinformation campaign.

He is obviously doing a good job already. What's with amplifying the false meme?

This "mentally incompetent' crap is only recently revived - and demonstrably false given the active and "competent" program he's embarked upon. The other area of misinformation is that he is a mere puppet of the godless, socialist left. They seem to have dropped the "inappropriate touching of women" and the Hunter Biden Ukraine conspiracy - at least for now.

 

[Craig4]

I thought they were told not to text or email but Boebert did anyway. Some reported leaving messages for loved ones. But I'm not sure how much is there to find.

OTOH, there is stuff on those cameras about those capitol tours a day or so earlier and I'd bet if Boebert and her mother really were involved they were too stupid to hide it in the days leading up to the riot.

Those were the people in the Capitol. I'd like to know what was going on a mile down the road, inside the West Wing of the White House. I suspect that story is yet to be told. There were staffers trying to tell Trump to call off the mob and fielding calls from members in the Capitol.

 

[Paul2]

Had the insurrectionists never broken into the Capitol, Trump’s incitement of them to resist - in whatever fashion, violent or not - the lawful process that was unfolding - for instance, to urge Mike Pence to somehow not count the ballots, or to not accept them - is still sufficient reason to impeach him.

There is an underlying assumption that the violence at the Capitol was the problem for which Trump should be impeached. It may have been the proximate cause of his impeachment, but it’s not the . . . Hmm, if I knew Augustine better, I’d know the name of what type of cause I mean, and now I’m not even sure if it was Augustine who laid out this typology - sufficient reason that he should be impeached. It’s the subversion of the constitutional process, violent or not.

But the impeachment trial is going to be about the violence, at least from the Republicans.

 

[eerok]

Had the insurrectionists never broken into the Capitol, Trump’s incitement of them to resist - in whatever fashion, violent or not - the lawful process that was unfolding - for instance, to urge Mike Pence to somehow not count the ballots, or to not accept them - is still sufficient reason to impeach him.

I agree. Trump's behavior in the two months following the election was beyond ridiculous, and an insult to American democracy. The amount of lying was unbelievable. His false claims were astonishing. Anyone with that much contempt for America cannot be forgiven lightly. There's no reasonable choice but to convict him in his impeachment and forbid him future public office, but we'll see how it goes.

 

[CapelDodger]

I agree. Trump's behavior in the two months following the election was beyond ridiculous, and an insult to American democracy. The amount of lying was unbelievable. His false claims were astonishing. Anyone with that much contempt for America cannot be forgiven lightly. There's no reasonable choice but to convict him in his impeachment and forbid him future public office, but we'll see how it goes.

Some Republicans are trying to argue from the Constitution, but Trump's actions were the kind of thing the authors had in mind when they introduced impeachment. They didn't have our long experience of US Presidencies, of course, they were inventing the role, they were less than unanimous about it, and they had sensible doubts. Trump's behaviour is exactly what impeachment is meant to squash.