Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Delvo said:
Just different parts or aspects of it. The people on the other side are just people, like you. Their brains mostly work the same way as yours so they come to their conclusions the same way people on your side do.
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Not that I like it when the left wing lies, but as far as I can tell, it is more common on the right. Plus, if mainstream media gets it wrong, IMO they are more willing to admit it than outlets on the right. The right will do it if absolutely necessary, as they apparently concluded in various claims involving Dominion voting machines.

I don't get into many detailed conversations with Trump supporters, as the ones I am most likely to run across are in my own family and I'm not prepared to cut ties. But one example, a lady who lives on campus was absolutely convinced Biden was senile because he tripped up some words and made a reference to himself being "Joe Biden's wife" when he meant to say "Jill Biden's husband." But no amount of sheer gobbledygook on Trump's part makes any impression whatsoever. Joe Biden supposedly has corrupt ties to China, but the Trump family's potentially corrupt ties to China are never questioned.
 
Minoosh said:
(snip) Joe Biden supposedly has corrupt ties to China, but the Trump family's potentially corrupt ties to China are never questioned.
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I have a feeling that may well change. Someday a scholar is going to examine the Trump Administration as a case study in psychological projection.
 
Not sure which thread to post this in, but this seems as good as any of the other Trump-related threads.

I heard Sean Hannity on the radio today. He was calling for Mitch McConnell to be dumped as Minority Leader after Mitch's distancing from Trump, specifically his recent statements that actually suggested Donald Trump himself may have been part of the problem that led to the Capitol riot.

ETA: Also heard a guest speaker (didn't catch who it was) saying Trump would likely start a SuperPac. Sounds like a good way to soak the donors some more. Must get that reasonable and customary salary paid to the managers of those things, ya know.
 
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Minoosh said:
Not that I like it when the left wing lies, but as far as I can tell, it is more common on the right. Plus, if mainstream media gets it wrong, IMO they are more willing to admit it than outlets on the right. The right will do it if absolutely necessary, as they apparently concluded in various claims involving Dominion voting machines.

I don't get into many detailed conversations with Trump supporters, as the ones I am most likely to run across are in my own family and I'm not prepared to cut ties. But one example, a lady who lives on campus was absolutely convinced Biden was senile because he tripped up some words and made a reference to himself being "Joe Biden's wife" when he meant to say "Jill Biden's husband." But no amount of sheer gobbledygook on Trump's part makes any impression whatsoever. Joe Biden supposedly has corrupt ties to China, but the Trump family's potentially corrupt ties to China are never questioned.
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Off topic, but it seems to me that Biden has aged rather significantly within the last year. Not that I believe he's senile, but I do wonder if he'll make it through the full term.

ETA: OK, maybe I should have done some research before posting. My uneducated impression seems to be wrong, according to this report: Projected lifespan and healthspan of Joe Biden and Donald Trump before the 2020 election
 
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Delvo said:
Just different parts or aspects of it. The people on the other side are just people, like you. Their brains mostly work the same way as yours so they come to their conclusions the same way people on your side do.
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Delvo since you have a very low opinion of people who are on my "side", whatever that really means, and you allege that such people are distorters, liars etc. Your above comment is disgusting.
 
HHellpop said:
Off topic, but it seems to me that Biden has aged rather significantly within the last year. Not that I believe he's senile, but I do wonder if he'll make it through the full term.

ETA: OK, maybe I should have done some research before posting. My uneducated impression seems to be wrong, according to this report: Projected lifespan and healthspan of Joe Biden and Donald Trump before the 2020 election
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Joe's leaner, probably has a few more years on him. The campaign was exhausting, but Biden hasn't been expending all his energy being a ******** and scheming against US interests 24/7 like Trump has. Getting all that out of the way will be a relief. A lot of people want Joe to succeed and that's bound to help.
 
Spektator said:
I have a feeling that may well change. Someday a scholar is going to examine the Trump Administration as a case study in psychological projection.
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Oh of course. Everything he accuses other people of doing, he's doing himself, probably on a grander scale.
 
HHellpop said:
Off topic, but it seems to me that Biden has aged rather significantly within the last year. Not that I believe he's senile, but I do wonder if he'll make it through the full term.
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Might be that we are seeing him in more varied circumstances, rather than the controlled conditions of a largely indoor campaign. But he doesn't have to run marathons; all he has to do is appoint competent people and get out of their way, and he seems to be doing that pretty effectively.
 
There were several times in history where an old man who was probably going to die soon was absolutely the best and most stabilizing choice.

I wouldn't call Biden dying mid-term "best and most stabilizing" but whatever of his term he fills, it is the introduction of a pause that matters.

I expect if he makes it, he will not run for a 2nd term. He's here to fill time, ideally for Kamala, but (up to) 4 years of "sleepy joe" could turn the temperature down.

Contrarily, status quo doldrums could recreate the conditions for another Trump.
 
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Stacyhs said:
Maria Bartiromo claimed again on FOX that there were antifa infiltrators wearing MAGA hats among the Capitol rioters on Jan. 6th. This follows the same claim pushed by Tucker Carlson, Brit Hume and Laura Ingraham. This has been completely debunked by law enforcement officials but still Bartiromo repeats this lie.
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It's a coordinated shift.

They've been claiming the election was stolen when clearly it wasn't. So IMO this is a planned shift, planned as in they are getting messages from whoever replaced Roger Ailes.

The attempt to change the election outcome was Trump leading the way because he's so great yada yada. But now the riot is clearly getting a seriously negative reaction. So now it's not Trump, it was AntiFa.

What I'm wondering is how are the rioters taking that messaging when during the whole bloody thing they were ecstatic at what they had accomplished. They might be having a rude awakening as more arrests are made but still in some of those videos they're outright giddy with their success getting into the building. Now Fox is telling them it wasn't their accomplishment after all. That has to be a burn for them.
 
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Minoosh said:
Yet the participants that have received a little media coverage are all MAGA faithful - aren't they? Do the Fox personalities ever point out anyone with an antifa background?
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Nope, not a one. They are as illusive as all that evidence of fraudulent votes.

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I would like to think there were infiltrators all around. For example, I really hope federal law enforcement teams do have people reporting from the inside. Though I know that fairly often the cops have right-wing sympathies, I like to think that they would show some loyalty if it turns out that fellow officers are being killed in rightwing melees.
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Occupations like cops and firefighters spend a lot of time with each other. They know who are Trump supporters in that they voted for him, but they also know who are the extremists among them. That can't be going over too well given the mob attacked and injured so many of them.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
What I'm wondering is how are the rioters taking that messaging when during the whole bloody thing they were ecstatic at what they had accomplished. They might be having a rude awakening as more arrests are made but still in some of those videos they're outright giddy with their success getting into the building. Now Fox is telling them it wasn't their accomplishment after all. That has to be a burn for them.
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Who knows, it might even lead some of them to think that they can't just uncritically accept everything their preferred media outlet tells them. Or is that just too much to hope for?

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dudalb said:
RE Dumb Hicks: You can be dumb but still be dangerous.
TO use a line from the Classic WW2 Fllm "Stalag 17":
"Just because the Germans are dumb does not mean they are stupid:,
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One I remembered from "Casablanca":

Major Strasser: "You give him credit for too much cleverness. My impression was that he's just another blundering American."

Captain Renault: "We mustn't underestimate American blundering. I was with them when they blundered into Berlin in 1918."
 
This thread was born of fear that Trump would find a way to illegally maintain power, via corrupt judges or some other illegal mechanism.

I think we can safely dismiss that possibility now, so I think it's time to unsubscribe from this particular thread.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
There were several times in history where an old man who was probably going to die soon was absolutely the best and most stabilizing choice.
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Sigh. As has been pointed out Biden is not "probably going to die soon" and has a >90% chance of living for more than four years, unlike Trump.
He could probably manage a second term too.
 
Meadmaker said:
This thread was born of fear that Trump would find a way to illegally maintain power, via corrupt judges or some other illegal mechanism.

I think we can safely dismiss that possibility now, so I think it's time to unsubscribe from this particular thread.
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I think over the next few months, more will be revealed about his behind-the-scenes coup planning.
 
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